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Pirate Bay working on a mysterious new site

35 points by adeelarshad82 16y ago

wybo 16y ago
Wonder what this is going to be. User-friendly encrypted, onionized music-sharing a la oneswarm? http://oneswarm.cs.washington.edu/ http://oneswarm.cs.washington.edu/
JeanPierre 16y ago
I'm assuming that they make some sort of music player à la Spotify, but with a P2P-system which makes it harder to find the user-IPs. The technology's been out for some time already, so why not?
- StavrosK 16y ago
  My money is on a p2p iTunes. Spotify would be unlikely, as you need to keep the files to be able to seed them, so they'd have to come from somewhere if nobody ever stored them on their drives. An iTunes equivalent that also broadcasts would be far more viable.
- patrickod 16y ago
  would this not make it much easier for malicious 3rd parties to monitor where music is being shared?
  - JonnieCache 16y ago
    not if you use some kind of obfuscating routing layer. think tor style, but heavily optimized towards music streaming and nothing else.
  - uxp 16y ago
    P2P is one of the most insecure ideas, in terms of privacy. Everyone must have some address, and that address must be configured to server some file, of which is copyrighted by none of the parties involved. Even if the program used hides what IP addresses I am pulling that file from, netstat and sockstat will be able to divulge that information. The only thing I can think of is a P2P network, where every user of the protocol becomes a node in a TOR like network, but then you will be dealing with horrible bandwidth issues. My 7MBit DSL only has 1MBit upstream, which is hardly enough for me to route more than 4 other user's traffic through. That still doesn't solve the issue of privacy and anonymizing the users, since a user of the program, even if he is not actively downloading and uploading a file that he requested, is still liable for distributing a portion of the copyrighted files other users are requesting and distributing. You may not get the end point, but you'll end up with a whole bucketload of people facilitating the infringement.
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- gst 16y ago
  Makes sense. Especially after reading this article here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2122614 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2122614
michaelty 16y ago
I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of record label executives suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
- lkiujhgjk 16y ago
  More like the scene at the end of 'Return' where all the artists are dancing around a funeral pyre with the RIAA board on top
- benologist 16y ago
  Right, just like when they announced videobay and all the rest of the stuff that never happened or turned out to just be a turnkey script they uploaded.
  - die_sekte 16y ago
    ipredator happened.
traplist 16y ago
Possibly building a java/flash app that will automate the torrent process for music torrents; Getting it is down to grooveshark/pandora level of just "type in artist/song name"? I'm not an expert in flash and not sure if a flash app would allow a remote connection to a server other than the one where the flash app is hosted. I think some XML file is required on the other server that flash will look for to see if theres a wildcard to allow any domain to connect... I saw an exploit once for twitter or facebook that used this. I am quite positive this could be done with java though. Basically a torrent client in java/flash that downloads mp3's only. Because mp3 files are fairly small the downloaders not becoming seeders shouldn't be much of a problem (so long as desktop torrent clients grow as the music site grows, which I think it will). EDIT: I think this is a fairly good and obvious tactic to create the next big thing. Basically take a desktop app and find a way to put it on a website. Eliminating the need to download an app (torrent client in this case) can dramatically increase popularity.
rick_2047 16y ago
Wouldn't it be funny if this was just a large bag of nothing? I mean, there will be all the fearing in record executives and all the press and all that and they just upload one lousy image or better yet a propaganda?
- shadowpwner 16y ago
  They've done this before, hyping up some secret "ultimate piracy tool" based on relevant news, but turning out to be nothing. I'm a little skeptical of musicbay actually turning out to be anything.
jacquesm 16y ago
You have to have respect for the pigheadedness of these guys though, most people would pack it in after being sentenced to massive fines and jailtime, instead they just keep on going and find the time to roll out new stuff.
milkshakes 16y ago
if it is indeed a p2p spotify, i hope it comes with an api!

35 points by adeelarshad82 16y ago

wybo 16y ago

Wonder what this is going to be. User-friendly encrypted, onionized music-sharing a la oneswarm? http://oneswarm.cs.washington.edu/ http://oneswarm.cs.washington.edu/

JeanPierre 16y ago

I'm assuming that they make some sort of music player à la Spotify, but with a P2P-system which makes it harder to find the user-IPs. The technology's been out for some time already, so why not?

StavrosK 16y ago
My money is on a p2p iTunes. Spotify would be unlikely, as you need to keep the files to be able to seed them, so they'd have to come from somewhere if nobody ever stored them on their drives. An iTunes equivalent that also broadcasts would be far more viable.
patrickod 16y ago
would this not make it much easier for malicious 3rd parties to monitor where music is being shared?
- JonnieCache 16y ago
  not if you use some kind of obfuscating routing layer. think tor style, but heavily optimized towards music streaming and nothing else.
- uxp 16y ago
  P2P is one of the most insecure ideas, in terms of privacy. Everyone must have some address, and that address must be configured to server some file, of which is copyrighted by none of the parties involved. Even if the program used hides what IP addresses I am pulling that file from, netstat and sockstat will be able to divulge that information. The only thing I can think of is a P2P network, where every user of the protocol becomes a node in a TOR like network, but then you will be dealing with horrible bandwidth issues. My 7MBit DSL only has 1MBit upstream, which is hardly enough for me to route more than 4 other user's traffic through. That still doesn't solve the issue of privacy and anonymizing the users, since a user of the program, even if he is not actively downloading and uploading a file that he requested, is still liable for distributing a portion of the copyrighted files other users are requesting and distributing. You may not get the end point, but you'll end up with a whole bucketload of people facilitating the infringement.
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gst 16y ago
Makes sense. Especially after reading this article here: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2122614 http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2122614

michaelty 16y ago

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of record label executives suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

lkiujhgjk 16y ago
More like the scene at the end of 'Return' where all the artists are dancing around a funeral pyre with the RIAA board on top
benologist 16y ago
Right, just like when they announced videobay and all the rest of the stuff that never happened or turned out to just be a turnkey script they uploaded.
- die_sekte 16y ago
  ipredator happened.

traplist 16y ago

Possibly building a java/flash app that will automate the torrent process for music torrents; Getting it is down to grooveshark/pandora level of just "type in artist/song name"? I'm not an expert in flash and not sure if a flash app would allow a remote connection to a server other than the one where the flash app is hosted. I think some XML file is required on the other server that flash will look for to see if theres a wildcard to allow any domain to connect... I saw an exploit once for twitter or facebook that used this. I am quite positive this could be done with java though. Basically a torrent client in java/flash that downloads mp3's only. Because mp3 files are fairly small the downloaders not becoming seeders shouldn't be much of a problem (so long as desktop torrent clients grow as the music site grows, which I think it will). EDIT: I think this is a fairly good and obvious tactic to create the next big thing. Basically take a desktop app and find a way to put it on a website. Eliminating the need to download an app (torrent client in this case) can dramatically increase popularity.

rick_2047 16y ago

Wouldn't it be funny if this was just a large bag of nothing? I mean, there will be all the fearing in record executives and all the press and all that and they just upload one lousy image or better yet a propaganda?

shadowpwner 16y ago
They've done this before, hyping up some secret "ultimate piracy tool" based on relevant news, but turning out to be nothing. I'm a little skeptical of musicbay actually turning out to be anything.

jacquesm 16y ago

You have to have respect for the pigheadedness of these guys though, most people would pack it in after being sentenced to massive fines and jailtime, instead they just keep on going and find the time to roll out new stuff.

milkshakes 16y ago

if it is indeed a p2p spotify, i hope it comes with an api!