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> We do not process email content to serve ads This says nothing about email metadata being used in relation to ads or for uses of content unrelated to ads (e.

by mfer 7y ago

> We do not process email content to serve ads This says nothing about email metadata being used in relation to ads or for uses of content unrelated to ads (e.g., generation of search results). If I hadn't seen the leaked selfish ledger video [1] I would not look for these nuances in the language. [1] https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/17/17344250/google-x-selfish-ledger-video-data-privacy https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/17/17344250/google-x-selfish...

joshuamorton 7y ago
There's a linguistic ambiguity in the part of the op here. What is "mining"? Is spam filtering mining? Is indexing for search (in Gmail) mining? Is sticking flights on your calendar (and nothing else) mining? Mining sounds nefarious. Are analysis of emails for the consumer still mining? If they are, and any scanning of emails is bad, why use Gmail? To me at least, it's value is the stuff it does for me.
- tyingq 7y ago
  Gmail knows about more than flights. They know everything you've bought and received an email receipt for: https://mail.google.com/mail/mu/mp/878/#tl/search/Category%3Apurchases https://mail.google.com/mail/mu/mp/878/#tl/search/Category%3... There's nothing in their privacy policy that explicitly states they don't use that info for ad targeting that I can see.
  - joshuamorton 7y ago
    What part of "We do not scan for advertising purposes in Gmail or other G Suite services. Google does not collect or use data in G Suite services for advertising purposes." is ambiguous?[0] But that's Gsuite, what about consumer Gmail? "G Suite’s Gmail is already not used as input for ads personalization, and Google has decided to follow suit later this year in our free consumer Gmail service. Consumer Gmail content will not be used or scanned for any ads personalization after this change"[1] [0]: https://support.google.com/googlecloud/answer/6056650 https://support.google.com/googlecloud/answer/6056650, under "Does Google use my organization’s data in G Suite services or Cloud Platform for advertising purposes?" [1]: https://www.blog.google/products/gmail/g-suite-gains-traction-in-the-enterprise-g-suites-gmail-and-consumer-gmail-to-more-closely-align/#targetText=Consumer%20Gmail%20content%20will%20not,time%2C%20including%20disabling%20ads%20personalization https://www.blog.google/products/gmail/g-suite-gains-tractio....
    - tyingq 7y ago
      Where is that? I get redirected to the general Google privacy page from within free Gmail. I could read that as for only paid Gsuite Gmail, not free Gmail. As an aside the "what part of..." leader in your reply comes across as rude. The resources you are citing aren't an easy find from within free Gmail. And they aren't in the privacy policy, so what I said remains true.
      - joshuamorton 7y ago
        See my edit.
        tyingq 7y ago
        Neither is policy. One is a help doc, the other a blog post. They should probably codify it into their privacy policy.
        joshuamorton 7y ago
        Edit: https://safety.google/privacy/ads-and-data/ https://safety.google/privacy/ads-and-data/ See "Gmail" at the bottom: "Google does not use keywords or messages in your inbox to show you ads. Nobody reads your email in order to show you ads." Google's privacy policies are written to be understandable by lay-people. Describing the specific breakdowns of what things they aren't doing can be intimidating or scary. So they don't. But the information you care about is still there, unless you're assuming some weird level of linguistic runaround.
        tyingq 7y ago
        The privacy policy contradicts both. I assume policy would supercede a blog post if it came down to it.
        joshuamorton 7y ago
        See my edit, the privacy policy doesn't contradict either. (and if memory serves, the actual Gsuide corp privacy policy is a legalese pdf somewhere, that does make these things explicit)

by mfer 7y ago

joshuamorton 7y ago

There's a linguistic ambiguity in the part of the op here. What is "mining"? Is spam filtering mining? Is indexing for search (in Gmail) mining? Is sticking flights on your calendar (and nothing else) mining? Mining sounds nefarious. Are analysis of emails for the consumer still mining? If they are, and any scanning of emails is bad, why use Gmail? To me at least, it's value is the stuff it does for me.

tyingq 7y ago
Gmail knows about more than flights. They know everything you've bought and received an email receipt for: https://mail.google.com/mail/mu/mp/878/#tl/search/Category%3Apurchases https://mail.google.com/mail/mu/mp/878/#tl/search/Category%3... There's nothing in their privacy policy that explicitly states they don't use that info for ad targeting that I can see.
- joshuamorton 7y ago
  What part of "We do not scan for advertising purposes in Gmail or other G Suite services. Google does not collect or use data in G Suite services for advertising purposes." is ambiguous?[0] But that's Gsuite, what about consumer Gmail? "G Suite’s Gmail is already not used as input for ads personalization, and Google has decided to follow suit later this year in our free consumer Gmail service. Consumer Gmail content will not be used or scanned for any ads personalization after this change"[1] [0]: https://support.google.com/googlecloud/answer/6056650 https://support.google.com/googlecloud/answer/6056650, under "Does Google use my organization’s data in G Suite services or Cloud Platform for advertising purposes?" [1]: https://www.blog.google/products/gmail/g-suite-gains-traction-in-the-enterprise-g-suites-gmail-and-consumer-gmail-to-more-closely-align/#targetText=Consumer%20Gmail%20content%20will%20not,time%2C%20including%20disabling%20ads%20personalization https://www.blog.google/products/gmail/g-suite-gains-tractio....
  - tyingq 7y ago
    Where is that? I get redirected to the general Google privacy page from within free Gmail. I could read that as for only paid Gsuite Gmail, not free Gmail. As an aside the "what part of..." leader in your reply comes across as rude. The resources you are citing aren't an easy find from within free Gmail. And they aren't in the privacy policy, so what I said remains true.
    - joshuamorton 7y ago
      See my edit.
      - tyingq 7y ago
        Neither is policy. One is a help doc, the other a blog post. They should probably codify it into their privacy policy.
        joshuamorton 7y ago
        Edit: https://safety.google/privacy/ads-and-data/ https://safety.google/privacy/ads-and-data/ See "Gmail" at the bottom: "Google does not use keywords or messages in your inbox to show you ads. Nobody reads your email in order to show you ads." Google's privacy policies are written to be understandable by lay-people. Describing the specific breakdowns of what things they aren't doing can be intimidating or scary. So they don't. But the information you care about is still there, unless you're assuming some weird level of linguistic runaround.
        tyingq 7y ago
        The privacy policy contradicts both. I assume policy would supercede a blog post if it came down to it.
        joshuamorton 7y ago
        See my edit, the privacy policy doesn't contradict either. (and if memory serves, the actual Gsuide corp privacy policy is a legalese pdf somewhere, that does make these things explicit)