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It's already possible by moving from a consumer Google account to a G Suite account. The main difference between consumer Google accounts and G Suites accounts

by cj 7y ago

It's already possible by moving from a consumer Google account to a G Suite account. The main difference between consumer Google accounts and G Suites accounts is that G Suite accounts come with an extremely comprehensive (complex, complicated) administration panel which is absolutely overkill for use cases other than managing G Suite users within a company / organization. But, you can sign up for G Suite as an individual, and most of the default settings will just work out of the box without much customization needed. You will have issues if you want to use things like Google Home or Google Nest (or any other consumer-only services... Nest thermostats, for example, won't connect to G Suite accounts and only connect to regular Google consumer accounts). Here's Google's guarantee re: legally not collecting / selling your G Suite data... > There is no advertising in the G Suite Core Services, and we have no plans to change this in the future. Google does not collect, scan or use data in G Suite Core Services for advertising purposes. [1] [1] https://gsuite.google.com/learn-more/security/security-whitepaper/page-6.html https://gsuite.google.com/learn-more/security/security-white...

hastes 7y ago
Hmm, I will need to do a bit more research into this. My only concern is what exactly is the extent of "G Suite Core Services", does that apply to all existing features of Google, the entire entity itself including YouTube/etc, or just the services provided by the G Suite. I still may do this but if it doesn't include search, YT, etc, it will be a bit disappointing knowing they are double dipping with my subscription and data.
- GlitchMr 7y ago
  Google Search and YouTube are outside of G Suite, and will still track the user.
- urgeblumbling 7y ago
  https://gsuite.google.com/intl/en/terms/user_features.html https://gsuite.google.com/intl/en/terms/user_features.html
thepangolino 7y ago
> for advertising purposes. You got it right there. All other purposed are fair game.
thinkloop 7y ago
> for advertising purposes That qualifier leaves a lot open. Without client-side encryption it's just words.
- stvswn 7y ago
  Well, yeah, there's spam detection and similar features that are enabled by not having client-side encryption. If all of the features that are enabled by cloud-based email aren't worth it to you, fine, but most people like them and you have other options.
  - inlined 7y ago
    The “you have other options” closing is unproductive, but I concur that there are plenty of valid (useful) reasons to analyze customer data. Additional features: phishing and virus detection, suspicious account activity, building private search indexes, cataloging photos by vision results, and using user feedback to correct models.
buro9 7y ago
It's a nightmare, don't go down this path. So much is broken, and backing out is a bigger nightmare. Here's me failing to get a G Suite to act like a Google Account, and then figuring out just what I can migrate back to Gmail: https://medium.com/@buro9/one-account-all-of-google-4d2929066951 https://medium.com/@buro9/one-account-all-of-google-4d292906... Somehow though, I have managed to get 2TB of photo storage for free. The photos are there in full quality, but do not count to storage usage. If you're brave, there's a path here to unlimited free photo storage. I would not advise anyone to use G Suite for a personal email address.
etiam 7y ago
>> There is no advertising in the G Suite Core Services, and we have no plans to change this in the future. Google does not collect, scan or use data in G Suite Core Services for advertising purposes. [1] To me that reads a lot like 'Google does indeed collect, scan, use, read, algorithmically process, mine, analyze, characterize, handle, refine, derive from, and peruse data in G Suite Core Services, but with the primary purpose of doing other stuff with it than direct advertising.' Sorry, if that's actually not fair this time, but with all the doublespeak about these things for the last decade and a half or so, hedging like that does not inspire confidence.
- sidibe 7y ago
  Your use of "primary" paints in a worse light than it really is. From the quote it sounds like they don't use it period for advertising
  - etiam 7y ago
    I'm inclined to think I just added some honesty. When they've used it in their 'research and development to better understand your preferences and offer you better services' or whatnot, do you seriously believe that isn't to interact with ad targeting and all the other ways they use the models?
    - shaki-dora 7y ago
      Well if you're inclined to just make stuff up to fit you narrative, then I can see why you'd have problems trusting others.
      - etiam 7y ago
        Did I ask you for an amateur shrink evaluation? Aspersions aside you have a point about the risk for confirmation bias, but that goes for conserving overly credulous attitudes as well. Everyone can make up their own minds about how to fill the blanks in how Google really handles this data but the track record isn't great for straightforward honesty there.

by cj 7y ago

hastes 7y ago

Hmm, I will need to do a bit more research into this. My only concern is what exactly is the extent of "G Suite Core Services", does that apply to all existing features of Google, the entire entity itself including YouTube/etc, or just the services provided by the G Suite. I still may do this but if it doesn't include search, YT, etc, it will be a bit disappointing knowing they are double dipping with my subscription and data.

GlitchMr 7y ago
Google Search and YouTube are outside of G Suite, and will still track the user.
urgeblumbling 7y ago
https://gsuite.google.com/intl/en/terms/user_features.html https://gsuite.google.com/intl/en/terms/user_features.html

thepangolino 7y ago

> for advertising purposes. You got it right there. All other purposed are fair game.

thinkloop 7y ago

> for advertising purposes That qualifier leaves a lot open. Without client-side encryption it's just words.

stvswn 7y ago
Well, yeah, there's spam detection and similar features that are enabled by not having client-side encryption. If all of the features that are enabled by cloud-based email aren't worth it to you, fine, but most people like them and you have other options.
- inlined 7y ago
  The “you have other options” closing is unproductive, but I concur that there are plenty of valid (useful) reasons to analyze customer data. Additional features: phishing and virus detection, suspicious account activity, building private search indexes, cataloging photos by vision results, and using user feedback to correct models.

buro9 7y ago

It's a nightmare, don't go down this path. So much is broken, and backing out is a bigger nightmare. Here's me failing to get a G Suite to act like a Google Account, and then figuring out just what I can migrate back to Gmail: https://medium.com/@buro9/one-account-all-of-google-4d2929066951 https://medium.com/@buro9/one-account-all-of-google-4d292906... Somehow though, I have managed to get 2TB of photo storage for free. The photos are there in full quality, but do not count to storage usage. If you're brave, there's a path here to unlimited free photo storage. I would not advise anyone to use G Suite for a personal email address.

etiam 7y ago

>> There is no advertising in the G Suite Core Services, and we have no plans to change this in the future. Google does not collect, scan or use data in G Suite Core Services for advertising purposes. [1] To me that reads a lot like 'Google does indeed collect, scan, use, read, algorithmically process, mine, analyze, characterize, handle, refine, derive from, and peruse data in G Suite Core Services, but with the primary purpose of doing other stuff with it than direct advertising.' Sorry, if that's actually not fair this time, but with all the doublespeak about these things for the last decade and a half or so, hedging like that does not inspire confidence.

sidibe 7y ago
Your use of "primary" paints in a worse light than it really is. From the quote it sounds like they don't use it period for advertising
- etiam 7y ago
  I'm inclined to think I just added some honesty. When they've used it in their 'research and development to better understand your preferences and offer you better services' or whatnot, do you seriously believe that isn't to interact with ad targeting and all the other ways they use the models?
  - shaki-dora 7y ago
    Well if you're inclined to just make stuff up to fit you narrative, then I can see why you'd have problems trusting others.
    - etiam 7y ago
      Did I ask you for an amateur shrink evaluation? Aspersions aside you have a point about the risk for confirmation bias, but that goes for conserving overly credulous attitudes as well. Everyone can make up their own minds about how to fill the blanks in how Google really handles this data but the track record isn't great for straightforward honesty there.