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You don’t want Stalinism, but you do want to limit the speech of people who disagree with what you want? Or you just wish and fantasize for it?

jahaja 7y ago
What? How did you even manage to reach such a pathetic conclusion?
- isoskeles 7y ago
  I asked. I'm open to the possibility that you were just making a snide comment about how you don't want to hear from these people at all. What kinds of comments would you expect in return?
  - jahaja 7y ago
    That was the first sentence of my reply. The latter part clearly questions the relevance of the parent comment.
KirinDave 7y ago
> You don’t want Stalinism, but you do want to limit the speech of people who disagree with what you want? Asking for substantive debate free of tragic reactionary propaganda is not "limiting the speech" of people who disagree, it's asking for an intellectually honest forum for a discussion. You're complaining because folks are tired of having important conversations hijacked with slippery slope falacies and the repetition of both USSR and USA propaganda. But that's a reasonable objection, and it's reasonable to ask that folks be minimally educated before engaging in a conversation. If you're discussing machine learning and then someone comes in talking about how they pyramids taught them neural networking via a series of sines and cosines and also aliens (yes, this has happened to me in a public setting), you might be inclined to ask them to let the adults talk. That's not limiting speech, that's exercising your speech in opposition. They're fundamentally different things.
- isoskeles 7y ago
  I wouldn't call the actual experience of a regular person who lived under the rule of the USSR to be any sort of propaganda. But I suppose that's just another way of saying you would like to invalidate anything said by people you don't agree with. Not that the comment in question was particularly substantive. There is certainly a debate to be had there, but it's already been done a million times over on the internet, so I don't care. But it is very interesting to read a comment like yours. Not for any reason other than to see the pure rage, saying literally nothing "intellectually honest" about the subject, but rather comparing people you disagree with to conspiracy theorists who believe in aliens.
  - KirinDave 7y ago
    No one here is disputing the USSR was a bad place to live. I think that's an argument you want to have come up rather than an argument I'm making. I'm saying that the fusion of authoritarian government and leftism was both a tactic of the USA and the USSR for different reasons. That's not a novel idea, is been covered by a lot of historians. > But it is very interesting to read a comment like yours. Not for any reason other than to see the pure rage, saying literally nothing "intellectually honest" about the subject, but rather comparing people you disagree with to conspiracy theorists who believe in aliens. Rage? Okay. Your "freedom to" does not invalidate my "freedom from". I am not suppressing you in any way by exercising my right to say that I'm unintrested in your straw man.

jahaja 7y ago

What? How did you even manage to reach such a pathetic conclusion?

isoskeles 7y ago
I asked. I'm open to the possibility that you were just making a snide comment about how you don't want to hear from these people at all. What kinds of comments would you expect in return?
- jahaja 7y ago
  That was the first sentence of my reply. The latter part clearly questions the relevance of the parent comment.

KirinDave 7y ago

> You don’t want Stalinism, but you do want to limit the speech of people who disagree with what you want? Asking for substantive debate free of tragic reactionary propaganda is not "limiting the speech" of people who disagree, it's asking for an intellectually honest forum for a discussion. You're complaining because folks are tired of having important conversations hijacked with slippery slope falacies and the repetition of both USSR and USA propaganda. But that's a reasonable objection, and it's reasonable to ask that folks be minimally educated before engaging in a conversation. If you're discussing machine learning and then someone comes in talking about how they pyramids taught them neural networking via a series of sines and cosines and also aliens (yes, this has happened to me in a public setting), you might be inclined to ask them to let the adults talk. That's not limiting speech, that's exercising your speech in opposition. They're fundamentally different things.

isoskeles 7y ago
I wouldn't call the actual experience of a regular person who lived under the rule of the USSR to be any sort of propaganda. But I suppose that's just another way of saying you would like to invalidate anything said by people you don't agree with. Not that the comment in question was particularly substantive. There is certainly a debate to be had there, but it's already been done a million times over on the internet, so I don't care. But it is very interesting to read a comment like yours. Not for any reason other than to see the pure rage, saying literally nothing "intellectually honest" about the subject, but rather comparing people you disagree with to conspiracy theorists who believe in aliens.
- KirinDave 7y ago
  No one here is disputing the USSR was a bad place to live. I think that's an argument you want to have come up rather than an argument I'm making. I'm saying that the fusion of authoritarian government and leftism was both a tactic of the USA and the USSR for different reasons. That's not a novel idea, is been covered by a lot of historians. > But it is very interesting to read a comment like yours. Not for any reason other than to see the pure rage, saying literally nothing "intellectually honest" about the subject, but rather comparing people you disagree with to conspiracy theorists who believe in aliens. Rage? Okay. Your "freedom to" does not invalidate my "freedom from". I am not suppressing you in any way by exercising my right to say that I'm unintrested in your straw man.