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Elon Musk tweets using SpaceX’s Starlink satellite internet
- LinuxBender 7y agoHas a pentest been performed on this network? How does one enter into an early beta of it?
- nickik 7y agoThey just launched the first couple satillites. Its all internal testing on non-finished hardware as of right now. Far away from an beta.
- maxander 7y agoWhich means the root password is probably still “admin” :)
- JulianMorrison 7y agoLogin "elon", password "musk"
- mlrotter 7y agoI think they have 57/60 working. I assume this is a testing phase. 12k planned
- Tuna-Fish 7y ago30k based on latest filings. The number goes up rather often...
- LinuxBender 7y agoAh ok thx. At some point in the future, I would like to move further into the sticks and go mostly off-grid, but I would still like internet. It needs to be low latency (ssh, games, voice, etc) and high throughput. I am hoping that this network can meet those needs. Otherwise I have to be close enough to a city for cable modems...
- gondo 7y agoWhat proof is there that he did it use Starlink for real? Considering he turned his twitter account into a joke [1] after SEC investigation [2]. [1] https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1176530527290941441 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1176530527290941441 [2] https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2018-219 https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2018-219
- donkeyd 7y ago> What proof is there that he did it use Starlink for real? None, but I can't imagine him joking about something that seems very important to him. > Considering he turned his twitter account into a joke [1] after SEC investigation [2]. I challenge you to scroll down his timeline until before the SEC investigation. He was spreading memes way before that ever happened. Also, the SEC investigation was regarding Tesla and him running a public company. SpaceX is not a public company and he doesn't really have a history of tweeting nonsense about SpaceX projects.
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- jniedrauer 7y agoI'm really excited about this technology for selfish reasons. I love disconnecting and spending time in remote wildernesses. But paradoxically, being disconnected from technology gives me a lot of anxiety about technology. Working on devops roles over the last decade, I've almost never had a time when I can just forget about it all. Even when I'm not on call, and no matter how well I try to document things, I'm often the one with the answers. When things break, I need to be able to step in. Being able to go off the grid, while still being able to step in when SHTF, would increase my quality of life significantly.
- DGAP 7y agoWhy not just use any of the number of existing satellite telecoms providers?
- jniedrauer 7y agoI do. I have a Garmin inReach, and it helps. But it takes ~5 minutes for one exchange of a text message. It's not enough to diagnose and fix a complex problem remotely.
- bob1029 7y agoIridium Certus is something that may be an option. Their new constellation just recently came online. I am uncertain of end device availability/support though.
- jupp0r 7y agoWhy not use a standard satellite phone instead? Rates are reasonable and in the $2/minute range. Your use case sounds like it's easy to justify that.
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- s_y_n_t_a_x 7y agoThere's not as many as you think, and they all blow. Not enough bandwidth, way too much latency, and very very expensive.
- tpmx 7y agoI saw something interesting the other day that I had previously missed: Starlink has the potential to provide lower latency around the globe than terrestrial fiber because light travels faster in vacuum than in optical silica fiber. "Delay is Not an Option: Low Latency Routing in Space" https://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/id/eprint/10062262/ https://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/id/eprint/10062262/ http://nrg.cs.ucl.ac.uk/mjh/starlink-draft.pdf http://nrg.cs.ucl.ac.uk/mjh/starlink-draft.pdf "We conclude that a network built in this manner can provide lower latency communications than any possible terrestrial optical fiber network for communications over distances greater than about 3000 km."
- GhettoMaestro 7y agoYeah pretty interesting. The primary use-case I imagine that it will improve is voice and video real-time communications. Anything that lowers the round-trip time during a human conversation is going to be very significant to improving the user experience.
- donkeyd 7y agoI guess high frequency traders might be interested too then.
- sunstone 7y agoSo that would be pretty expensive on a per character basis. At least so far.
- mrtksn 7y agoHow is the censorship going to work with Starlink? Twitter is heavily censored in many countries like Turkey. Other countries censor other things, be it on political, commercial or "criminal" grounds. Can someone explain a bit on these issues? Is the global internet going to be governed on US laws if Starlink becomes a thing?
- nobodyshere 7y agoRadio jamming will work in case a particular govt is capable enough. In other cases just a simple imports and use ban on such devices without a license.
- JulianMorrison 7y agoMy guess is they say "not our problem".
- Tuna-Fish 7y agoNo. Starlink will follow all local laws, including licensing the bandwidth they are using. They are not going to run a pirate internet network. Due to complications in US laws, this actually means that Starlink cannot directly offer service in much of the world, instead having to let a local company resell access. (Because SpaceX as a US company cannot do certain kinds of filtering without running afoul of US laws.)
- mrtksn 7y agoHow do the satellites know the precise location of the client? Wouldn't it possible to buy a subscription in one country and go use it in another country?
- SiempreViernes 7y agoWell, if you are going to demand payment of the service you need to be able to ID each client, so just apply filtering according to the rules for the country of that user. Also, you presumably keep track of where your antenna is pointing anyway.
- lostmsu 7y agoI wish the tweet would have a speed test screenshot of some sort.
- dmix 7y agoMusk should post the traceroute
- sebringj 7y agoThis is an amazing time to be alive. Starlink opens up bandwidth potential and global service reliability to bring completely new business models and capabilities. There is no more edge for trading on fiber under the ocean wires either (It seems so to me at least).
- sschueller 7y agoFor us non-Americans this is not that great. How would you feel if China or Russia launched such a system? Or even Germany?
- Klathmon 7y agoWhy would I feel anything but good about this? At the worst it doesn't impact me at all, at best it means a large number of people are going to be able to get online for cheap who previously weren't.
- z3ncyberpunk 7y agoGiven the cesspool of trolls, advertisements, fake media, bullshit social media (all of it), mass surveillance, the harvesting and sale of your personal information at every turn, and what is essentially unchecked psychological warfare taking place all across the net, I'm not sure just dumping people on it is the best thing
- asenna 7y agoI'm not denying the bad things the Internet brings but are you saying because of those things you listed, it's better to have remote/poor people with limited access in third world countries remain disconnected?
- sschueller 7y agoA large number of people moving to this network means a majority of the internet is routed via the United States. Local service providers will die out and in the end the internet is owned and operated by one corporation which is willing/required to hand over anything to the state. Total surveillance, total control. This is a nightmare.
- ctdonath 7y agoTangential followup: Recently there was a flap about a satellite having to move out of a Starlink sat's way because the latter wouldn't. On the Starlink website they call out the automated collision avoidance system. Seems the Starlink sat would have moved away automatically if there was a risk.
- Vordax 7y agoNot that big of a deal, they move satellites if there is more than a 1 in 10,000 chance of a collision, in this case it appears a bug was the problem: https://www.cnet.com/news/esa-spacex-starlink-satellite-nearly-collides-with-european-aeolus-satellite/ https://www.cnet.com/news/esa-spacex-starlink-satellite-near...
- Yuval_Halevi 7y agoThat's a new whole level of VPN
- knbknb 7y agoWill Starlink, when operational, put price pressure on satellite phone and internet service providers such as Inmarsat? Or will prices for internet coverage in remote areas just as expensive as before?
- tpmx 7y agoI'd think it could definitely be substantially cheaper than Inmarsat. In a totally crushing way. So much more bandwidth capacity and lower latency. Note: SpaceX is building out the Starlink coverage in a gradual way - they won't have satellites around the poles early on. Until the have truly global coverage Inmarsat will obviously stilll have an edge. It will be interesting to see how the pricing plays out for the high latency satellite broadband offerings compared to the low latency Starlink offering.
- SirLotsaLocks 7y agoI hope that this pressures companies like Comcast and Verizon where I live, to offer reasonable prices.
- ty7yt 7y agoimagine Elons greatest gift to mankind was a internet that could not be abused or spied on, and you only needed a satellite dish to access it. even if it was too slow to play games on.
- segmondy 7y agoIf they pull this off, what would this mean for the future? Someone in a third world country can have the same speed as someone in a developed country. Why should I keep my cell phone? Will comcast go out of business?
- cududa 7y agoWell probably because the receiver is going to be the size of a few bricks, so you’ll want to hold onto your phone for a while.