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"I cannot ignore two very fair arguments. The amount of fraud from this end has necessitated these measures. Hey! That’s a gap in the market, why don’t you gu
by rsheridan6 16y ago
"I cannot ignore two very fair arguments.
The amount of fraud from this end has necessitated these measures.
Hey! That’s a gap in the market, why don’t you guys in Africa do something about it?0
Fuck off."
That's really not a very convincing counterargument.
- markessien 16y agoHmm, how many paypal killers have been created? Now you want to go create a paypal killer from an african country with a low internet population, and expect big sites to support this? I think "fuck off" is an appropriate answer to people suggesting this - it's just not going to happen! It's obvious that it won't happen, so anyone suggesting it...just doesn't get it, I guess.
- jan_g 16y agoBut there's a possibility, for example, to use credit cards and wire transfers. I use them all the time (especially wire transfer), while I never use paypal. There's lots of stuff I bought that way online and had it shipped to my country.
- rmc 16y agoSmall population? Nigeria has 180 million people. The rest of Africa has similar paypal issues, and a population of 600 million people
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- kakaylor 16y agoI think the bigger issue is GDP and GDP per capita for both Nigeria and Africa as a whole: Nigeria GDP (PPP): $170bil Nigeria GDP per capita: $1754 I can understand why e-commerce companies might just choose to blacklist an entire country. There isn't much of a financial incentive to expend the resources for that small of a market. I am not trying to comment on whether this is justifiable or not, but that is the reality of the situation.
- Duff 16y agoGDP isn't the issue with Africa and the number of Western companies that want nothing to do with the continent. The issue is the governments like Nigeria are completely incapable of regulating what goes on inside of its borders. In cases like Nigeria, where the "419" scam is actually an measurably significant industry within the country, the scammers are probably in cahoots with the authorities. Why does e-commerce work in the US? As a guy sitting in New York, how can I comfortably sell goods via the internet to someone in Hawaii or New Mexico? Fundamentally, it's because the US is a nation governed by law, and efforts to defraud are not acceptable.
- kakaylor 16y agoVery good point. I think the point on corruption and the rule of law is really significant. It goes beyond just e-commerce and into a whole economy. A government of men and not of law does not make for a thriving economy. If found these two maps on corruption and governance really interesting. They really speak to they trouble with doing e-commerce in Africa: Transparency International: http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2010/results http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/... Governance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwide_Governance_Indicators http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwide_Governance_Indicators I wonder how ratings for China / India / Brazil will change in the next few decades as their per-capita GDP increases.
- quanticle 16y agoI don't know about China or Brazil, but India has done pretty well in fighting corruption lately. Of course, there's still a long way to go, but the progress so far is encouraging.
- aristus 16y agoThis is the same reasoning used 10 years ago to write off South America as a rounding error. It was frustrating and wrongheaded then, too.
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- w1ntermute 16y agoHow many of those people are using the internet? How about for the rest of Africa? And how much ecommerce will they generate compared to other markets? That's the driving question when Paypal and other companies decide whether they want to take the risks inherently associated with operating in Nigeria and/or the rest of Africa.
- brudgers 16y ago>"how much ecommerce will they generate compared to other markets?" For a company the size of Paypal, not enough to justify the political risks entailed by entering those markets. But startups are not the size of Paypal. 1% of Nigerians is still 1.6 million people. Paypal can afford to cut out large portions of the world. The company that solves the problem will have an advantage. Considering the degree to which internet entrepreneurship has been established in Nigeria (even if exploitive), the construction of WACS and its high bandwith connection to Europe, its oil reserves and its native English speaking population, Nigeria has some real strategic advantages. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cable_map18.svg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Cable_map18.svg
- microarchitect 16y agoHe said 'internet population', not population. Do you realise that 70% of the country is below the poverty line? It seems like I'm missing something, so I have a question for those who upvoted this comment. Do you all seriously think that the OP should set up an "african paypal" just because the real paypal is broken for him?
- jacquesm 16y agoAn African paypal that is open to those countries that were locked out due to excessive fraud would have an even harder time to stay alive than paypal already has. After all their fraudulent:legit ratio would be a lot worse than paypals'.
- seunosewa 16y agoI believe we can crack it, but regulations are a worry.
- gbengasesan 16y ago"small african country with a low population"? How does 144 million people sound to you? 85,208,008 mobile phone users and 44 million internet users low? Hmmm. For the rest, Bing/Google is your friend.
- mycroftiv 16y agoAs I interpret the sentiment, the author is indicating that he is writing simply to express his frustration at being an innocent victim of collective punishment. He is stating that he is aware of the causes of the situation, and that there may be ways to engage in productive change, but neither of those things changes the basic personal injustice he is directly experiencing. In other words, he is not attempting to make a counterargument, he is disinterested in engaging in debate, he is simply very irritated by obstacles he encounters through no fault of his own.
- araneae 16y agoBut instead of saying that, he said "fuck you" which is more open to interpretation, I think.
- Vivtek 16y agoWell. He said "fuck off," not "fuck you." To be fair, there's less interpretation. It's a rant, not an argument.
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- dstein 16y agohe is not attempting to make a counterargument... he is simply very irritated Sounds like he'll fit right in with most of the Internet.
- tylerarnold 16y agoI'm having the exact same issue while traveling in Romania. Romania is a part of the European Union as well. It's incredibly frustrating just to sit there and get "unable to process." What a crappy error message too. How about "this is a suspicious transaction. Please call GoDaddy or join a LiveChat session to continue." It really feels second class. Fuck indeed!