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This clickbait headline should be a bannable offense on HN

by LegitShady 7y ago

mcphage 7y ago
How is this clickbait?
- sigzero 7y ago
  Because Hobby Lobby didn't do what the headline says? "An investigation found that Bible fragments in a museum started BY THE OWNERS of the arts-and-crafts chain had been illegally taken from the university."
  - jacobush 7y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=21322892&goto=item%3Fid%3D21319460%2321322892 https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=21322892&goto=item%3Fi...
  - lghh 7y ago
    According to them, and the case they got to the Supreme Court, the difference between the owners and the org itself is nearly non-existent.
  - empath75 7y ago
    > The Egypt Exploration Society began an investigation in June after a director of the Bible museum released a redacted copy of a 2013 contract between the professor, Dr. Dirk Obbink, and Hobby Lobby stores for the sale of six items, including four thought to be from the Oxyrhynchus collection. The contract is with the company. The company gave it to the museum.
  - mcphage 7y ago
    > Because Hobby Lobby didn't do what the headline says? If Hobby Lobby (the company) can't fund birth control because it offends THE OWNERS, then I'm not sure that THE OWNERS really consider the distinction between the two as strong as you do.
empath75 7y ago
It's a straight forward summary of what's in the article.
dahart 7y ago
Who or what would you ban? The New York Times? The submitter who used the NYT title verbatim, according to HN guidelines?
- zamadatix 7y ago
  The guidelines specifically call out linkbait titles: "please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait" so in the parent comments argument that the title is clickbait it certainly isn't "according to HN guidelines". I'd be interested in what the ratio of users that only know portions of the guidelines that are often repeated in comments vs those that have actually read through the guidelines.
  - dahart 7y ago
    > The guidelines specifically call out linkbait titles: That's true, they do. And the parent comment here claimed linkbait. The suggested guideline is to default to the original title first, and avoid editorializing by default, that's the spirit of the rule, and then if the title is egregious, try to fix the wording to be less misleading. There are lots of possibilities, one of them is that the submitter doesn't know or doesn't believe the title is linkbait. One of them is that @LegitShady has an opinion that is shared by a minority or nobody. The problem with suggesting a ban when not editorializing titles is that it assumes linkbait is clear and absolutely recognizable, and that everyone agrees. Banning someone for an offense they might not be able to recognize in advance is a draconian measure that will reduce the quality of open discussion here. We already have mechanisms that help filter bad titles, including article downvotes, a flagging system, and moderators that actively respond to title wording complaints. > I'd be interested in what the ratio of users that only know portions of the guidelines that are often repeated in comments vs those that have actually read through the guidelines. I'd likewise be interested in what ratio of users read a comment and use assumptions to jump to a hard conclusion that denies benefit of the doubt without acknowledging the possibility that other causes are possible, including their own misinterpretation. Having read through the guidelines completely, I know that reading with charitable interpretations and giving benefit of the doubt is in the spirit of the guidelines. With respect to the top comment here, I humbly suggest that banning anyone for using verbatim titles goes directly against the spirit of HN, and the literal wording of the guidelines too.

This clickbait headline should be a bannable offense on HN

mcphage 7y ago

How is this clickbait?

sigzero 7y ago
Because Hobby Lobby didn't do what the headline says? "An investigation found that Bible fragments in a museum started BY THE OWNERS of the arts-and-crafts chain had been illegally taken from the university."
- jacobush 7y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=21322892&goto=item%3Fid%3D21319460%2321322892 https://news.ycombinator.com/reply?id=21322892&goto=item%3Fi...
- lghh 7y ago
  According to them, and the case they got to the Supreme Court, the difference between the owners and the org itself is nearly non-existent.
- empath75 7y ago
  > The Egypt Exploration Society began an investigation in June after a director of the Bible museum released a redacted copy of a 2013 contract between the professor, Dr. Dirk Obbink, and Hobby Lobby stores for the sale of six items, including four thought to be from the Oxyrhynchus collection. The contract is with the company. The company gave it to the museum.
- mcphage 7y ago
  > Because Hobby Lobby didn't do what the headline says? If Hobby Lobby (the company) can't fund birth control because it offends THE OWNERS, then I'm not sure that THE OWNERS really consider the distinction between the two as strong as you do.

empath75 7y ago

It's a straight forward summary of what's in the article.

dahart 7y ago

Who or what would you ban? The New York Times? The submitter who used the NYT title verbatim, according to HN guidelines?

zamadatix 7y ago
The guidelines specifically call out linkbait titles: "please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait" so in the parent comments argument that the title is clickbait it certainly isn't "according to HN guidelines". I'd be interested in what the ratio of users that only know portions of the guidelines that are often repeated in comments vs those that have actually read through the guidelines.
- dahart 7y ago
  > The guidelines specifically call out linkbait titles: That's true, they do. And the parent comment here claimed linkbait. The suggested guideline is to default to the original title first, and avoid editorializing by default, that's the spirit of the rule, and then if the title is egregious, try to fix the wording to be less misleading. There are lots of possibilities, one of them is that the submitter doesn't know or doesn't believe the title is linkbait. One of them is that @LegitShady has an opinion that is shared by a minority or nobody. The problem with suggesting a ban when not editorializing titles is that it assumes linkbait is clear and absolutely recognizable, and that everyone agrees. Banning someone for an offense they might not be able to recognize in advance is a draconian measure that will reduce the quality of open discussion here. We already have mechanisms that help filter bad titles, including article downvotes, a flagging system, and moderators that actively respond to title wording complaints. > I'd be interested in what the ratio of users that only know portions of the guidelines that are often repeated in comments vs those that have actually read through the guidelines. I'd likewise be interested in what ratio of users read a comment and use assumptions to jump to a hard conclusion that denies benefit of the doubt without acknowledging the possibility that other causes are possible, including their own misinterpretation. Having read through the guidelines completely, I know that reading with charitable interpretations and giving benefit of the doubt is in the spirit of the guidelines. With respect to the top comment here, I humbly suggest that banning anyone for using verbatim titles goes directly against the spirit of HN, and the literal wording of the guidelines too.