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And just how commonly do we see such[1] fraud across any business or industry? Cough, pharmaceutical cos, doctors, social media & search giants, car manufactur

And just how commonly do we see such[1] fraud across any business or industry? Cough, pharmaceutical cos, doctors, social media & search giants, car manufacturing giants. Any of these ring a bell? [1]As in, the above (your) definition of fraud i.e. misleading customers, by deliberately under delivering and over promising. With this definition, many businesses and accepted practices are fraud. IMO, true fraud is what VW with their cheating device. Facebook did with integrating WhatsApp profiles. Theranos did with fake IP. Opioid manufacturers do by indirectly incentivising doctors. Don't you think so too?

goatinaboat 7y ago
Theranos did with fake IP Yes, I agree that Tata and similar companies are on the level of Theranos.
- r_singh 7y ago
  That's not what I meant, so you mean you disagree. Sounds like a huge personal bias to me my friend. There's something about these firms which might have affected you directly. I feel sorry for you. Also, Tata is not TCS. Tata includes Tata Motors which owns the British co. JLR.
  - close04 7y ago
    > Sounds like a huge personal bias to me my friend. > I feel sorry for you. That's very disingenuous and insulting. You're implying you have no bias which anyone reading your comments on this thread would find really hard to believe. Your whole reasoning relies on accusing everyone else of bias and claiming that other companies also have these shady practices. That's not a defense.
hereiskkb 7y ago
That is just whataboutism. "What about this field?" "What about that cos?" All of it is fraud. Regardless. Promising results with the intention of not sticking to it is fraud.
close04 7y ago
Your argument is "it's not fraud because others do it"? Yes, going forward knowing full well that you have no intention of fulfilling your promises is fraud regardless of "whatabout those guys". You have at least a dozen comments on this thread defending these practices and pointing fingers at the likes of Theranos as if that's a good justification. If someone needs Theranos to look good they must be pretty shady. Your line of argumentation sounds very biased.

goatinaboat 7y ago

Theranos did with fake IP Yes, I agree that Tata and similar companies are on the level of Theranos.

r_singh 7y ago
That's not what I meant, so you mean you disagree. Sounds like a huge personal bias to me my friend. There's something about these firms which might have affected you directly. I feel sorry for you. Also, Tata is not TCS. Tata includes Tata Motors which owns the British co. JLR.
- close04 7y ago
  > Sounds like a huge personal bias to me my friend. > I feel sorry for you. That's very disingenuous and insulting. You're implying you have no bias which anyone reading your comments on this thread would find really hard to believe. Your whole reasoning relies on accusing everyone else of bias and claiming that other companies also have these shady practices. That's not a defense.

hereiskkb 7y ago

That is just whataboutism. "What about this field?" "What about that cos?" All of it is fraud. Regardless. Promising results with the intention of not sticking to it is fraud.

close04 7y ago

Your argument is "it's not fraud because others do it"? Yes, going forward knowing full well that you have no intention of fulfilling your promises is fraud regardless of "whatabout those guys". You have at least a dozen comments on this thread defending these practices and pointing fingers at the likes of Theranos as if that's a good justification. If someone needs Theranos to look good they must be pretty shady. Your line of argumentation sounds very biased.