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Biological male wins women's cycling world championship for 2nd consecutive year
- ses1984 7y ago>Real champions want stronger competition OK, compete as a man.
- oh_sigh 7y agoMost often there is no such thing as a "mens" league - ie there is no gender restriction or testing in the NFL, the premier league, etc. I wonder, do mens track and field events in the Olympics even do gender tests?
- ses1984 7y agoIt's her own words, her tweet. The next part says >If you win because bigotry got your competition banned... you're a loser. Hard to believe it's real, wonder if she recognizes the irony.
- antientropic 7y agoAccording to this page, mixed teams are not allowed in the Premier League: https://sports.stackexchange.com/questions/12206/can-a-woman-feature-in-epl https://sports.stackexchange.com/questions/12206/can-a-woman...
- oh_sigh 7y agoOops, I should have just stuck with American sports which I know, but didnt want to throw around only American centric acronyms like nba,nhl, etc
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- sudhirj 7y agoOh come on. The distinction between men and women in sports has always been based on biology and not identity. There’s no way Mike Tyson boxes in the lightweight classes because he feels skinny on the inside.
- yostrovs 7y agoCongratulations to the champion. It'll get tougher once the disabled win equality and are able to participate too using powered cycles.
- falcolas 7y agoThis has already come up in running, but with the bionic (basically a big carbon fiber spring) foot instead of a powered cycle. And it raised a huge stink when the disabled person won.
- AnimalMuppet 7y agoThat's in sprinting. And in marathons, there's a similar thing - the wheelchair people are in a separate category, because otherwise they would destroy the "able" people.
- falcolas 7y agoIt would even matter in longer distance running as well - the spring being more energy efficient than feet and ankles. https://www.runnersworld.com/news/a23133365/blake-leeper-running-blades-data/ https://www.runnersworld.com/news/a23133365/blake-leeper-run...
- diegoperini 7y agoWhy are these sports categorized for gender instead of body weight? For example, I'm a below average man in proportions and a 75 kilo biological female would definitely beat me on many competitions.
- microcolonel 7y agoBodyweight still does not control for it. Male and female muscle composition differ, bones differ, organs function differently.
- read_if_gay_ 7y agoWouldn't work well I think. Women generally have a higher bodyfat percentage than men skewing the weight classes and AFAIK each gender is somewhat better suited to particular sports, e.g. elite weightlifters are male without exception and ultra marathon runners are often female.
- unicornmama 7y agoWomen carry more body fat than men. Even adjusting for body weight, the top men are stronger than top women. https://www.castironstrength.com/elite-strength-sports-ipf-and-iwf-a-comparision-of-sex-and-performance/ https://www.castironstrength.com/elite-strength-sports-ipf-a... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olympic_records_in_weightlifting https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Olympic_records_in_w...
- vixen99 7y agoSo, after all, there are only two genders - women (with more fat) and men?
- unicornmama 7y agoWhat is your question exactly?
- scawf 7y agoyes
- oh_sigh 7y agoBesides for LGBT activists being overrepresented among techies relative to the population at large, this topic isn't really relevant to hn and is just going to invite opinion based low effort posts imho.
- theon144 7y agoHow is this Hacker News related?
- mensetmanusman 7y agoSome people argue that this is a route to hacking female sports. It’s hard to argue this trend will not entirely upend the concept.
- putzdown 7y agoI must have missed a memo. Why are men being allowed to compete in women’s sports just because they claim to be women? Why would anyone think this was a good idea?
- ASalazarMX 7y agoIt's specially unfair in contact sports. If this keeps on, women champions will be all men, a backwards step for feminism.
- mensetmanusman 7y agoNot into sports at all, but what do people think the problem is if evolutionary biology dictates that eventually our current sports setup will trend towards being dominated by male athletics and trans athletic competition?
- loco5niner 7y agoWomen should be able to compete against other women to the exclusion of males. Simple as that.
- mensetmanusman 7y agoSociety only deemed this recently to be the case. It may end up that society deems gender equality more important and therefore it may go away.
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- loco5niner 7y ago> Society only deemed this recently to be the case. Citation please. > gender equality Please explain how women getting what they want (getting to compete against only other women) gets in the way of gender equality.
- golergka 7y agoOK, I agree that there's a small percentage of population for whom the binary distinction for make and female fails. I believe that any adult person should be able to do whatever they want to their body, so their transition is they business (and their doctor's). I even agree that just to be civilized, we should call these people with whatever names and pronouns they are comfortable with – it costs nothing to me, and supposedly, it's important for them, so why not. But is it fair to allow a person with a make level of testosterone and muscles to compete in a category that was created specifically for women?
- happytoexplain 7y agoFor what it's worth, I found this to be one of the only thoughtful posts in the entire thread, with the rest falling around either "garbage blog" or some version or "men aren't women" dripping with inarticulate sarcasm or outrage. I'm saying this because it's deeply depressing, as normally I put extreme value in HN as perhaps the only place left I can see a group of thoughts where the majority are sane.
- RoyTyrell 7y agoI want to preface this with saying I am fully supportive of LGBTQ+ rights and I believe that people can be born one way but their brain is wired for another. That being said, if a large majority of your biological self was a man while you were growing up even though a lot of your brain was the opposite, then you will likely have a significant advantage (athletically) over those that grew up biologically as a woman. This is in the early days of normalcy in society for trans people, so I think eventually this will work out. Perhaps racing events need something like a "weight" class like you find in some martial arts.
- yostrovs 7y agoIt is already working out. When the goal is not to have sporty sporting events, but to fight a political fight, then we have the necessary process already in place. Decades ago, the fight was about women and their right to have competitive sports. Their politics moved on and their rights are not on the agenda and so not very relevant. The feminists can bitch and scream, but their time has passed. They're like the segregationists hoping to return to the past. The society's direction setters have moved on. There's no going back.
- dang 7y ago> When the goal is not to have sporty sporting events, but to fight a political fight, Please don't fight a political fight here. Our goal is to have curiosity. We can't have both. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- notus 7y agoYeah I believe it will also work itself out. I also believe that inclusion and social acceptance are more important than fairness in sports (which let's be honest, it's already unfair due to some people using performance enhancing drugs and others not using them). History is not going to look back on us and say we were bad because we had a few decades of a very tiny minority of trans people having an advantage in competitive sports. We hear about things like this once or twice a year, I'm not really sure it warrants all the outrage it receives.
- eeZah7Ux 7y agoPlease ban this garbage article.
- eeZah7Ux 7y agoThe downvotes are telling. Is this 4chan or some jordan peterson fan club now?
- tantalor 7y agoLess blog-spam propaganda, please.
- yostrovs 7y agoThis post has been disappeared by the community.
- Simulacra 7y agoI think this is absolutely unfair. Skeleton, muscle mass, there are too many advantages to someone who went through puberty as a biological male.
- methodiosmel 7y agoSlope slipped. When we validate the illusions of the mentally ill, it's only a matter of time before the inmates are running the asylum. It is possible to treat people with dignity and respect while acknowledging that they are wrong.
- senectus1 7y agoits an interesting conundrum. I'm not anywhere near well informed enough to form an opinion or argument around it. But it'll be fascinating to watch it develop.
- apta 7y agoThe fact that a man is not a woman needs an argument to be made for it?
- loco5niner 7y ago> McKinnon tweeted that “real champions want stronger competition,” Ironic that he says this while not being willing to compete against other males.