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Ardren 7y ago
> "When that happens your remand status changes from a serving prisoner to a person facing extradition. > "Therefore I have given your lawyer an opportunity to make an application for bail on your behalf and she has declined to do so. Perhaps not surprisingly in light of your history of absconding in these proceedings. Edit: In response to your edit, he is being held for trial, and is a huge flight risk. 𝚈̶𝚘̶𝚞̶ ̶𝚠̶𝚘̶𝚞̶𝚕̶𝚍̶ ̶𝚗̶𝚎̶𝚎̶𝚍̶ ̶𝚝̶𝚘̶ ̶𝚌̶𝚑̶𝚎̶𝚌̶𝚔̶ ̶𝚒̶𝚏̶ ̶𝚝̶𝚑̶𝚎̶𝚛̶𝚎̶ ̶𝚑̶𝚎̶ ̶𝚒̶𝚜̶ ̶𝚌̶𝚘̶𝚟̶𝚎̶𝚛̶𝚎̶𝚍̶ ̶𝚋̶𝚢̶ ̶𝚊̶ ̶𝚋̶𝚊̶𝚒̶𝚕̶ ̶𝚜̶𝚌̶𝚑̶𝚎̶𝚍̶𝚞̶𝚕̶𝚎̶,̶ ̶𝚘̶𝚝̶𝚑̶𝚎̶𝚛̶𝚠̶𝚒̶𝚜̶𝚎̶ ̶𝚝̶𝚑̶𝚎̶ ̶𝚄̶𝚂̶ ̶𝙲̶𝚘̶𝚗̶𝚜̶𝚝̶𝚒̶𝚝̶𝚞̶𝚝̶𝚒̶𝚘̶𝚗̶ ̶𝚜̶𝚊̶𝚢̶𝚜̶ ̶"̶𝙴̶𝚡̶𝚌̶𝚎̶𝚜̶𝚜̶𝚒̶𝚟̶𝚎̶ ̶𝚋̶𝚊̶𝚒̶𝚕̶ ̶𝚜̶𝚑̶𝚊̶𝚕̶𝚕̶ ̶𝚗̶𝚘̶𝚝̶ ̶𝚋̶𝚎̶ ̶𝚛̶𝚎̶𝚚̶𝚞̶𝚒̶𝚛̶𝚎̶𝚍̶"̶.̶ > I would be greatly ashamed if we imprison someone for more than a couple of days without any sentence/verdict/ruling/etc. How long do you think trials last?
- pjc50 7y ago
  > he is being held for trial, and is a huge flight risk. You would need to check if there he is covered by a bail schedule, otherwise the US Constitution says "Excessive bail shall not be required". Point of information: he is being held in the UK and therefore what the US constitution says is irrelevant. He will be covered by the Bail Act. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1976/63 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1976/63
  - Ardren 7y ago
    Ah of course, I wasn't thinking straight
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henearkr 7y ago
But she has a point in that Assange would try anything to not depend again on such disgusting legal system. However, if there is still the smallest chance that the ruling could be in his favor, by escaping or trying to do so he would ever more reduce this chance...
WatchDog 7y ago
I mean, it's right there in your quote, he's facing extradition, so presumably can be detained until he can be extradited.
pjc50 7y ago
> So is this the same as if I'm accused of committing a crime, the police can hold me in a cell until a court makes a decision on my guilt? That's .. how it normally works? With the exception that people not likely to abscond or commit further crimes are normally released on bail. Roughly 10% of the UK prison population is people being held on remand like this: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/reportingonthesustainabledevelopmentgoalspeopleonremandincustodyinenglandandwales/2018-08-03 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeand... (The US system is far worse, in that it involves a weird private profit infrastructure of bail bondsmen. And holds a lot more people on remand. See recent article on New York closing Rikers, for example) > hopefully it's not actual prison we keep suspects in, but a police cell? The actual prison is significantly more humane and has actual facilities, whereas the cell is just a box.

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> "When that happens your remand status changes from a serving prisoner to a person facing extradition. > "Therefore I have given your lawyer an opportunity to make an application for bail on your behalf and she has declined to do so. Perhaps not surprisingly in light of your history of absconding in these proceedings. Edit: In response to your edit, he is being held for trial, and is a huge flight risk. 𝚈̶𝚘̶𝚞̶ ̶𝚠̶𝚘̶𝚞̶𝚕̶𝚍̶ ̶𝚗̶𝚎̶𝚎̶𝚍̶ ̶𝚝̶𝚘̶ ̶𝚌̶𝚑̶𝚎̶𝚌̶𝚔̶ ̶𝚒̶𝚏̶ ̶𝚝̶𝚑̶𝚎̶𝚛̶𝚎̶ ̶𝚑̶𝚎̶ ̶𝚒̶𝚜̶ ̶𝚌̶𝚘̶𝚟̶𝚎̶𝚛̶𝚎̶𝚍̶ ̶𝚋̶𝚢̶ ̶𝚊̶ ̶𝚋̶𝚊̶𝚒̶𝚕̶ ̶𝚜̶𝚌̶𝚑̶𝚎̶𝚍̶𝚞̶𝚕̶𝚎̶,̶ ̶𝚘̶𝚝̶𝚑̶𝚎̶𝚛̶𝚠̶𝚒̶𝚜̶𝚎̶ ̶𝚝̶𝚑̶𝚎̶ ̶𝚄̶𝚂̶ ̶𝙲̶𝚘̶𝚗̶𝚜̶𝚝̶𝚒̶𝚝̶𝚞̶𝚝̶𝚒̶𝚘̶𝚗̶ ̶𝚜̶𝚊̶𝚢̶𝚜̶ ̶"̶𝙴̶𝚡̶𝚌̶𝚎̶𝚜̶𝚜̶𝚒̶𝚟̶𝚎̶ ̶𝚋̶𝚊̶𝚒̶𝚕̶ ̶𝚜̶𝚑̶𝚊̶𝚕̶𝚕̶ ̶𝚗̶𝚘̶𝚝̶ ̶𝚋̶𝚎̶ ̶𝚛̶𝚎̶𝚚̶𝚞̶𝚒̶𝚛̶𝚎̶𝚍̶"̶.̶ > I would be greatly ashamed if we imprison someone for more than a couple of days without any sentence/verdict/ruling/etc. How long do you think trials last?

pjc50 7y ago
> he is being held for trial, and is a huge flight risk. You would need to check if there he is covered by a bail schedule, otherwise the US Constitution says "Excessive bail shall not be required". Point of information: he is being held in the UK and therefore what the US constitution says is irrelevant. He will be covered by the Bail Act. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1976/63 https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1976/63
- Ardren 7y ago
  Ah of course, I wasn't thinking straight
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henearkr 7y ago

But she has a point in that Assange would try anything to not depend again on such disgusting legal system. However, if there is still the smallest chance that the ruling could be in his favor, by escaping or trying to do so he would ever more reduce this chance...

WatchDog 7y ago

I mean, it's right there in your quote, he's facing extradition, so presumably can be detained until he can be extradited.

pjc50 7y ago

> So is this the same as if I'm accused of committing a crime, the police can hold me in a cell until a court makes a decision on my guilt? That's .. how it normally works? With the exception that people not likely to abscond or commit further crimes are normally released on bail. Roughly 10% of the UK prison population is people being held on remand like this: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/reportingonthesustainabledevelopmentgoalspeopleonremandincustodyinenglandandwales/2018-08-03 https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeand... (The US system is far worse, in that it involves a weird private profit infrastructure of bail bondsmen. And holds a lot more people on remand. See recent article on New York closing Rikers, for example) > hopefully it's not actual prison we keep suspects in, but a police cell? The actual prison is significantly more humane and has actual facilities, whereas the cell is just a box.