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I got a 403 forbidden message, but archive.org works. * https://web.archive.org/web/20140123215657/https://www.pizzahut.com/assets/pizzanet/home.html https://w

I got a 403 forbidden message, but archive.org works. * https://web.archive.org/web/20140123215657/https://www.pizzahut.com/assets/pizzanet/home.html https://web.archive.org/web/20140123215657/https://www.pizza... > PizzaNet is Pizza Hut's Electronic Storefront and is brought to you by Pizza Hut® and The Santa Cruz Operation® What, the original SCO, THE Unix company, built the website for Pizza Hut? The original SCO dissolved in 2001, so it must be earlier?

caf 7y ago
archive.org has that main page archived as far back as December 1996: https://web.archive.org/web/19961219205128/http://www.pizzahut.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/19961219205128/http://www.pizzah...
- kalleboo 7y ago
  There's a gorgeous HTML comment in there, referring to a 1994 creation date **************************************************************************** * * * PIZZA HUT INC. * * * * PHI proprietary information: the enclosed materials contain * * proprietary information of Pizza Hut Inc. and shall * * not be disclosed in whole or in any part to any third party * * or used by any person for any purpose, without written consent * * of PHI. Duplication of any portion of these materials shall * * include this legend. * * * **************************************************************************** ** ** HTML index.html ** ** DESCRIPTION Home Page. ** ** REVISIONS ** Date Who Comments ** ---- --- -------- ** 08/18/94 SCO created. **
  - pjc50 7y ago
    "Shall not be disclosed to anyone" on a public facing web page. It took a long time to train people out of that one. Remember email signature disclaimers? Still some of those around.
asteli 7y ago
Based on the fact that the site is monochrome and about 8KB, I'm going to guess early 90s. It's funny, the favico (modern asset loaded from the root of the domain automatically) outweighs the entire page by a factor of 4.
- fireattack 7y ago
  There is no favico for this site here. Edit: weirdly, it loads one now.
smacktoward 7y ago
The Web was a huge driver of Unix adoption. Before the Web came along, Unix was on the ropes. The conventional wisdom was that Windows NT would eventually finish it off, owning the server space the way regular Windows owned the desktop. But all the early tools for standing up a Web site were Unix-centric, simply because the Web's roots were in science and academia rather than traditional corporate computing. So when the Web started getting big, Unix started getting big too, and never really stopped. Presumably someone at SCO thought an online pizza ordering service would be a good way to demonstrate the value a Web site could have for businesses. And that demand for Web sites would in turn mean demand for SCO's Unix products.
- lucasverra 7y ago
  I would have bet for Windows NT (Network) but it was (« New technology ») src : wikipedia (donate if you can!)
- choppaface 7y ago
  But the web-scale demand for SCO Unix never really materialized. Linux took much of the marketshare while SCO went after IBM https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/02/ibm_vs_sco_revives/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/02/ibm_vs_sco_revives/
  - ben1040 7y ago
    That wasn't the same SCO, the SCO that sued IBM was the Linux vendor Caldera who purchased SCO's assets and renamed themselves as such.
    - segfaultbuserr 7y ago
      Yes, the original SCO was "good". It was Caldera Systems's CEO who started the lawsuits, suing everyone, they even sued Novell for the Unix trademark, and obviously got a notorious reputation and turned SCO into a dirty world. And of course, it almost lost all cases and his company became an utter piece of garbage. Seriously, what was the CEO thinking about?! I guess Caldera Systems purchased SCO, thought it was a good deal, but they suddenly found the days of commercial proprietary Unix were ending and the purchase was a mistake, and this is how they started its assaults.
bluedino 7y ago
I'm not 100% sure if it was SCO, but Pizza Hut restaurants ran some flavor of UNIX in the stores in the early 90's. On our local BBS list, there was one named Pizza Hut and it was just a UNIX login. We'd dial in and try a few passwords then get booted. One day I was at a restaurant with my parents, and sure enough, there was a terminal behind the counter with that same login prompt! I figure some employee must have leaked the phone number or someone found it wardialing.
- segfaultbuserr 7y ago
  > On our local BBS list, there was one named Pizza Hut and it was just a UNIX login. One day I was at a restaurant with my parents, and sure enough, there was a terminal behind the counter with that same login prompt! > someone found it wardialing. Aha! It was the amazing days, you just dial a bunch of numbers in your area, and you get all sorts of exposed mainframes and servers from various organizations on the phone line. It was the origin of the common hacker trope. Today, computers are ubiquitous, but most of them are embedded devices, IoT, smartphones or PCs, you can never find a mainframe in the wild again, the green-blinking CRT terminals from the 80s and the impression of "hack everything" is long gone,
- EvanAnderson 7y ago
  Taco Bell restaurants had SCO boxes in the early 90's, too. There was one in my local area that somebody found, presumably wardialing.

caf 7y ago

archive.org has that main page archived as far back as December 1996: https://web.archive.org/web/19961219205128/http://www.pizzahut.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/19961219205128/http://www.pizzah...

kalleboo 7y ago
There's a gorgeous HTML comment in there, referring to a 1994 creation date **************************************************************************** * * * PIZZA HUT INC. * * * * PHI proprietary information: the enclosed materials contain * * proprietary information of Pizza Hut Inc. and shall * * not be disclosed in whole or in any part to any third party * * or used by any person for any purpose, without written consent * * of PHI. Duplication of any portion of these materials shall * * include this legend. * * * **************************************************************************** ** ** HTML index.html ** ** DESCRIPTION Home Page. ** ** REVISIONS ** Date Who Comments ** ---- --- -------- ** 08/18/94 SCO created. **
- pjc50 7y ago
  "Shall not be disclosed to anyone" on a public facing web page. It took a long time to train people out of that one. Remember email signature disclaimers? Still some of those around.

asteli 7y ago

Based on the fact that the site is monochrome and about 8KB, I'm going to guess early 90s. It's funny, the favico (modern asset loaded from the root of the domain automatically) outweighs the entire page by a factor of 4.

fireattack 7y ago
There is no favico for this site here. Edit: weirdly, it loads one now.

smacktoward 7y ago

The Web was a huge driver of Unix adoption. Before the Web came along, Unix was on the ropes. The conventional wisdom was that Windows NT would eventually finish it off, owning the server space the way regular Windows owned the desktop. But all the early tools for standing up a Web site were Unix-centric, simply because the Web's roots were in science and academia rather than traditional corporate computing. So when the Web started getting big, Unix started getting big too, and never really stopped. Presumably someone at SCO thought an online pizza ordering service would be a good way to demonstrate the value a Web site could have for businesses. And that demand for Web sites would in turn mean demand for SCO's Unix products.

lucasverra 7y ago
I would have bet for Windows NT (Network) but it was (« New technology ») src : wikipedia (donate if you can!)
choppaface 7y ago
But the web-scale demand for SCO Unix never really materialized. Linux took much of the marketshare while SCO went after IBM https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/02/ibm_vs_sco_revives/ https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/11/02/ibm_vs_sco_revives/
- ben1040 7y ago
  That wasn't the same SCO, the SCO that sued IBM was the Linux vendor Caldera who purchased SCO's assets and renamed themselves as such.
  - segfaultbuserr 7y ago
    Yes, the original SCO was "good". It was Caldera Systems's CEO who started the lawsuits, suing everyone, they even sued Novell for the Unix trademark, and obviously got a notorious reputation and turned SCO into a dirty world. And of course, it almost lost all cases and his company became an utter piece of garbage. Seriously, what was the CEO thinking about?! I guess Caldera Systems purchased SCO, thought it was a good deal, but they suddenly found the days of commercial proprietary Unix were ending and the purchase was a mistake, and this is how they started its assaults.

bluedino 7y ago

I'm not 100% sure if it was SCO, but Pizza Hut restaurants ran some flavor of UNIX in the stores in the early 90's. On our local BBS list, there was one named Pizza Hut and it was just a UNIX login. We'd dial in and try a few passwords then get booted. One day I was at a restaurant with my parents, and sure enough, there was a terminal behind the counter with that same login prompt! I figure some employee must have leaked the phone number or someone found it wardialing.

segfaultbuserr 7y ago
> On our local BBS list, there was one named Pizza Hut and it was just a UNIX login. One day I was at a restaurant with my parents, and sure enough, there was a terminal behind the counter with that same login prompt! > someone found it wardialing. Aha! It was the amazing days, you just dial a bunch of numbers in your area, and you get all sorts of exposed mainframes and servers from various organizations on the phone line. It was the origin of the common hacker trope. Today, computers are ubiquitous, but most of them are embedded devices, IoT, smartphones or PCs, you can never find a mainframe in the wild again, the green-blinking CRT terminals from the 80s and the impression of "hack everything" is long gone,
EvanAnderson 7y ago
Taco Bell restaurants had SCO boxes in the early 90's, too. There was one in my local area that somebody found, presumably wardialing.