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> Regardless why isn’t there a growing movement to call the perpetrators of this war criminals? You're kidding right? Before the US invasion, the largest prot

> Regardless why isn’t there a growing movement to call the perpetrators of this war criminals? You're kidding right? Before the US invasion, the largest protests in the world happened all over the world against it and it didn't do anything. > Social movement researchers have described the 15 February protest as "the largest protest event in human history" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/15_February_2003_anti-war_protests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/15_February_2003_anti-war_prot...

dev_dull 7y ago
Thankfully the war in Iraq was the last time our intelligence agencies mislead the public.
- dmix 7y ago
  It's fascinating to reread just how bad these stories were: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries > In March 2003 [..] it reportedly took International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) officials only a matter of hours to determine that these documents were fake. IAEA experts discovered indications of a crude forgery, such as the use of incorrect names of Nigerien officials. The CIA and foreign intelligence services did do some good work to try to correct that particular false narrative - something originally spread from Iran's intel service no less (which sounds a lot like the discredited 2016 'dossier' which came from questionable Russian sources). But they clearly didn't do enough. Probably because they were on the brink of getting new massive sweeping powers. This one's my favourite CIA story from that era, just straight-up blatant disregard for the law with zero repercussions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_CIA_interrogation_videotapes_destruction?oldformat=true https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_CIA_interrogation_videota...
  - dev_dull 7y ago
    I sincerely hope I never hear the phrase "Russian dossier" again in my lifetime. The CIA seems to follow every place this phrase shows up.
- bouncycastle 7y ago
  Unlikely. With today's social media, AI boom, deep fakes, and ever increasing processing power, they can do their PSYOPs even better.
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    I'm sure the comment was an attempt at sarcasm.
fsh 7y ago
Don't forget that the vast majority of US citizens supported the invasion [1] while the rest of the world protested. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/2008/03/19/public-attitudes-toward-the-war-in-iraq-20032008/ https://www.pewresearch.org/2008/03/19/public-attitudes-towa...
- saiya-jin 7y ago
  Yeah, I recall meeting a US guy in Nepal high on Annapurna circuit trek (meaning the person was not as close-minded as many that didn't travel much, he did intensively over whole world before) around 2008, he was praising US invasions in Iraq and Afghanistan stating something about how local population would make great christians. He was a Texan and big supporter of GW Bush. That left me speechless for a while. Sample of 1, but it clearly showed me that with some people, you just can't get the message across. Doesn't matter how smart they are, what they experienced, it just doesn't work. I tried (not too hard though) and failed.

dev_dull 7y ago

Thankfully the war in Iraq was the last time our intelligence agencies mislead the public.

dmix 7y ago
It's fascinating to reread just how bad these stories were: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries > In March 2003 [..] it reportedly took International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) officials only a matter of hours to determine that these documents were fake. IAEA experts discovered indications of a crude forgery, such as the use of incorrect names of Nigerien officials. The CIA and foreign intelligence services did do some good work to try to correct that particular false narrative - something originally spread from Iran's intel service no less (which sounds a lot like the discredited 2016 'dossier' which came from questionable Russian sources). But they clearly didn't do enough. Probably because they were on the brink of getting new massive sweeping powers. This one's my favourite CIA story from that era, just straight-up blatant disregard for the law with zero repercussions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_CIA_interrogation_videotapes_destruction?oldformat=true https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_CIA_interrogation_videota...
- dev_dull 7y ago
  I sincerely hope I never hear the phrase "Russian dossier" again in my lifetime. The CIA seems to follow every place this phrase shows up.
bouncycastle 7y ago
Unlikely. With today's social media, AI boom, deep fakes, and ever increasing processing power, they can do their PSYOPs even better.
- saagarjha 7y ago
  I'm sure the comment was an attempt at sarcasm.

fsh 7y ago

Don't forget that the vast majority of US citizens supported the invasion [1] while the rest of the world protested. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/2008/03/19/public-attitudes-toward-the-war-in-iraq-20032008/ https://www.pewresearch.org/2008/03/19/public-attitudes-towa...

saiya-jin 7y ago
Yeah, I recall meeting a US guy in Nepal high on Annapurna circuit trek (meaning the person was not as close-minded as many that didn't travel much, he did intensively over whole world before) around 2008, he was praising US invasions in Iraq and Afghanistan stating something about how local population would make great christians. He was a Texan and big supporter of GW Bush. That left me speechless for a while. Sample of 1, but it clearly showed me that with some people, you just can't get the message across. Doesn't matter how smart they are, what they experienced, it just doesn't work. I tried (not too hard though) and failed.