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I got to say, my Windows 10 PC at work, with an 8 year old CPU, has been rock fucking solid. So has my 2013 MBPr at home.

FPGAhacker 7y ago
My win10 pc at work is living hell, but I’m 95% sure this is all the corporate spyware and anti malware shit my employer throws on top. Windows 10 vanilla is probably pretty nice. [edited to clarify the source of the problem]
- goatinaboat 7y ago
  It’s possible that your IT Department are idiots of course, but it’s also possible your management insist on downloading random crap from the internet, plugging in random USB drives and so, and powerless to just ban that activity, the IT dept are doing the best they can...
  - stinos 7y ago
    It’s possible that your IT Department are idiots I wouldn't use exactly those words, more like 'not really capable', but yeah, definitely possible. Due to circumstances I can run my own machines out of IT's hands. This is a pretty large university, yet: my Linux, Windows 7 and 10 machines are what I'd call rock solid even despite aged hardware. Better spec'd machines running the same OS managed by IT seem to be riddled with random bugs and in case of Windows also slower.
  - FPGAhacker 7y ago
    I’m sure what’s left of our IT dept has the usual distribution of folks. But we have 100,000+ employees, and basically 1 policy for everyone.
Pokepokalypse 7y ago
Seems to me 2013 was the real sweet-spot for MBP. I still use mine almost every single day. It's a beast, and has been very reliable. Keyboard is WAY nicer to type on than the current generation. It's a little thicker and heavier, and lacks USB-c ports, but it's still damn fine.
- mihaaly 7y ago
  The same here!
- lostlogin 7y ago
  Or was for the Air too.
- madaxe_again 7y ago
  Yup. Still on my pimped-out 2013 MBP. Still has plenty of horses, and the only things that have failed were a fan ((cats & cigarettes) simple replacement), and the power lead wore through. Super reliable machine, still relevant performance-wise. I plan on using it until it disintegrates. Edit: I wonder if apple regret making these machines. They seem like a failure of planned obsolescence - at least, until new releases of OS X stop supporting them, which will probably be the next release, looking at the current horizon. Anyway. Totally broke the upgrade cycle for me - I have grown rather fond of my (t)rusty steed. My mother upgrades more often than I do, usually because she’s left every process open and running, and the machine is slow, and therefore she thinks she needs a new one.
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  - TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago
    I bought my mum a MacBook Pro, I honestly can't remember what year or which CPU. She told me last week she had someone put a new battery in it and an SSD to replace the spinning disk. She's still well happy with it. It's a good point about the planned obsolescence: I've dropped this machine so many times it doesn't quite close properly, the aluminium around the top of both USB ports and the HDMI port are deformed, I've had to clean metal particles out of the MagSafe2 connector many times, I work in a metal fabrication workshop so metal particles follow me everywhere. Six year old machine still in reasonably good condition and works fine.
  - Razengan 7y ago
    > I wonder if apple regret making these machines. If your old products are still running fine that's only good publicity and generates word-of-mouth credibility.
Nursie 7y ago
I am typing this from a late-2013 MBPr. It has been rock solid until Catalina. Now it occasionally reboots while its closed and there's something going on in the system settings that tells me I need to re-log in to some services, then errors out when I click on the button to proceed and do that. Not up to quite the usual quality, definitely.
Razengan 7y ago
> So has my 2013 MBPr at home. Which operating system? This isn't about comparing hardware. I'm on the latest MBPr and I love it; the problems are coming from Catalina.
- TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago
  Sorry, yeah, that's a good point. Now I'm at home I can check: High Sierra. I usually only update when I either need to because a program I want to run doesn't support the old OS, or the OS stops receiving security updates, or if I get really bored one night.

FPGAhacker 7y ago

My win10 pc at work is living hell, but I’m 95% sure this is all the corporate spyware and anti malware shit my employer throws on top. Windows 10 vanilla is probably pretty nice. [edited to clarify the source of the problem]

goatinaboat 7y ago
It’s possible that your IT Department are idiots of course, but it’s also possible your management insist on downloading random crap from the internet, plugging in random USB drives and so, and powerless to just ban that activity, the IT dept are doing the best they can...
- stinos 7y ago
  It’s possible that your IT Department are idiots I wouldn't use exactly those words, more like 'not really capable', but yeah, definitely possible. Due to circumstances I can run my own machines out of IT's hands. This is a pretty large university, yet: my Linux, Windows 7 and 10 machines are what I'd call rock solid even despite aged hardware. Better spec'd machines running the same OS managed by IT seem to be riddled with random bugs and in case of Windows also slower.
- FPGAhacker 7y ago
  I’m sure what’s left of our IT dept has the usual distribution of folks. But we have 100,000+ employees, and basically 1 policy for everyone.

Pokepokalypse 7y ago

Seems to me 2013 was the real sweet-spot for MBP. I still use mine almost every single day. It's a beast, and has been very reliable. Keyboard is WAY nicer to type on than the current generation. It's a little thicker and heavier, and lacks USB-c ports, but it's still damn fine.

mihaaly 7y ago
The same here!
lostlogin 7y ago
Or was for the Air too.
madaxe_again 7y ago
Yup. Still on my pimped-out 2013 MBP. Still has plenty of horses, and the only things that have failed were a fan ((cats & cigarettes) simple replacement), and the power lead wore through. Super reliable machine, still relevant performance-wise. I plan on using it until it disintegrates. Edit: I wonder if apple regret making these machines. They seem like a failure of planned obsolescence - at least, until new releases of OS X stop supporting them, which will probably be the next release, looking at the current horizon. Anyway. Totally broke the upgrade cycle for me - I have grown rather fond of my (t)rusty steed. My mother upgrades more often than I do, usually because she’s left every process open and running, and the machine is slow, and therefore she thinks she needs a new one.
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- TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago
  I bought my mum a MacBook Pro, I honestly can't remember what year or which CPU. She told me last week she had someone put a new battery in it and an SSD to replace the spinning disk. She's still well happy with it. It's a good point about the planned obsolescence: I've dropped this machine so many times it doesn't quite close properly, the aluminium around the top of both USB ports and the HDMI port are deformed, I've had to clean metal particles out of the MagSafe2 connector many times, I work in a metal fabrication workshop so metal particles follow me everywhere. Six year old machine still in reasonably good condition and works fine.
- Razengan 7y ago
  > I wonder if apple regret making these machines. If your old products are still running fine that's only good publicity and generates word-of-mouth credibility.

Nursie 7y ago

I am typing this from a late-2013 MBPr. It has been rock solid until Catalina. Now it occasionally reboots while its closed and there's something going on in the system settings that tells me I need to re-log in to some services, then errors out when I click on the button to proceed and do that. Not up to quite the usual quality, definitely.

Razengan 7y ago

> So has my 2013 MBPr at home. Which operating system? This isn't about comparing hardware. I'm on the latest MBPr and I love it; the problems are coming from Catalina.

TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago
Sorry, yeah, that's a good point. Now I'm at home I can check: High Sierra. I usually only update when I either need to because a program I want to run doesn't support the old OS, or the OS stops receiving security updates, or if I get really bored one night.