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Half the services you mention either - require a phone and phone number to sign up - lock you in - will shut down next year unless someone buys them and bast

Half the services you mention either - require a phone and phone number to sign up - lock you in - will shut down next year unless someone buys them and bastardizes them to oblivion - are services that replace services that were bought and bastardized (skype). they re bound to repeat the cycle - arent as popular / dont work (ipfs vs torrents) - lock content away from search engines - are basically rehashes of the same idea with much heavier browser footprint for the sake of ... i dont know what really - Are all platforms - they dont specialize, they force you inside an eternally septembered community . I Liked having separate accounts in separate forums - having many identities is a virtue - and good for privacy - are Incremental updates. E2E encryption is the one thing that matters, for the rest, we had flash video converence in 2003, and it worked better than webrtc solutions today - MOOCs are not a successful thing today either though. good that we have all that content, but it wasn't enabled by any of the aforementioned companies. I m not sure i m convinced we have a fundamentally different - or better - internet today. Everythinig you mention is repackaging. (and we had job ads and lots of free webhosting too btw. You know neocities, they re even named out of nostalgia for geocities, craigslist is still a thing).

badrabbit 7y ago
I don't think I can change your mind but functionally I have a much better expetience and in many cases a simpler experience than in the past. Lots of lessons were learned and continue to be learned. I mean,popularity aside forums,IRC,Skype (use it everyday!) and all the old tech is mostly still there. In many ways isn't less more? Would you prefer forums with millions of active users or IRC channels with 100K+ active users? I think the internet is big enough and diverse enough to satisfy most people. But the trendy and popular stuff isn't meant for people who like the older internet much like SMS wasn't meant for people who love pagers and email wasn't meant to satisfy people that like to write paper mail,so long as there are enough enthusiasts of a tech it will live on but the future will continue to look a lot less like the past. For me after not using IRC for quite a while I used Matrix and it looked so much and so little like IRC,I think it's a good example of how more internet users means more things that satisfy more groups. One size fits all doesn't scale.
- buboard 7y ago
  > and all the old tech is mostly still there Only as ghost towns > ways isn't less more? Err, no. Have you used facebook groups, the social groups that we are supposed to use today? Crippled intentionally, abysmally few options, impossible to discover. These are platforms for users who don't care about discourse, they want to come and shout, and shout often, to beat the algorithms. Yesterday's content is already lost. Compare that with even yahoo groups. > prefer forums with millions No! But that's what facebook is, what reddit is. Eternal september comes too soon > for quite a while I used Matrix and I wish matrix would catch on > One size fits all doesn't scale. Exactly . We have one size for everything today: platforms for billions. But it's a bad fit for niche, weird communities.

badrabbit 7y ago

I don't think I can change your mind but functionally I have a much better expetience and in many cases a simpler experience than in the past. Lots of lessons were learned and continue to be learned. I mean,popularity aside forums,IRC,Skype (use it everyday!) and all the old tech is mostly still there. In many ways isn't less more? Would you prefer forums with millions of active users or IRC channels with 100K+ active users? I think the internet is big enough and diverse enough to satisfy most people. But the trendy and popular stuff isn't meant for people who like the older internet much like SMS wasn't meant for people who love pagers and email wasn't meant to satisfy people that like to write paper mail,so long as there are enough enthusiasts of a tech it will live on but the future will continue to look a lot less like the past. For me after not using IRC for quite a while I used Matrix and it looked so much and so little like IRC,I think it's a good example of how more internet users means more things that satisfy more groups. One size fits all doesn't scale.

buboard 7y ago
> and all the old tech is mostly still there Only as ghost towns > ways isn't less more? Err, no. Have you used facebook groups, the social groups that we are supposed to use today? Crippled intentionally, abysmally few options, impossible to discover. These are platforms for users who don't care about discourse, they want to come and shout, and shout often, to beat the algorithms. Yesterday's content is already lost. Compare that with even yahoo groups. > prefer forums with millions No! But that's what facebook is, what reddit is. Eternal september comes too soon > for quite a while I used Matrix and I wish matrix would catch on > One size fits all doesn't scale. Exactly . We have one size for everything today: platforms for billions. But it's a bad fit for niche, weird communities.