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A customer isn't entitled to any upgrades. Apple used to charge for upgrades in the past. Now they give them away for free. Apple has never forced anyone on to

by greedo 7y ago

A customer isn't entitled to any upgrades. Apple used to charge for upgrades in the past. Now they give them away for free. Apple has never forced anyone on to upgrade their Macs. I have a fourteen year old Mac Pro that still works fine. Sure it can't run Catalina, but I don't need it to. And complaining? Complaining about what? You act as if Apple is bricking computers if you don't upgrade...

Wowfunhappy 7y ago
> Apple used to charge for upgrades in the past. Now they give them away for free. But back then, they also supported old releases for longer. I actually suspect this was part of Apple's internal calculus, or part of it. "Free upgrades will get installed by more people, so we can drop old releases more quickly." A fine tradeoff under some circumstances, but right now, the old way of things is looking quite appealing.
- dkonofalski 7y ago
  >But back then, they also supported old releases for longer. I don't think that's true. I've been an Apple user since just before OS X's release and the support level was always 2 versions back since like Panther.
  - Wowfunhappy 7y ago
    Yeah, but since OS's didn't come out annually, that effectively meant a significantly longer support cycle. You could argue "well, what changed isn't price, but release cadence," but they all go hand in hand. If upgrades were paid, the release cadence would probably have to be slower.
- greedo 7y ago
  I still get patches from Apple for my older Macs that are classified as obsolete. Mostly stuff like Safari etc.
  - Wowfunhappy 7y ago
    You do?! What OS, and how recently? I know Mavericks hasn't gotten anything since 2016...
SrslyJosh 7y ago
No, they're just bricking apps if you do upgrade.
- dkonofalski 7y ago
  Name one.
ralphc 7y ago
_Apple_ never has, but I had to upgrade macOS a couple of years ago because Chrome stopped supporting older versions.

by greedo 7y ago

Wowfunhappy 7y ago

> Apple used to charge for upgrades in the past. Now they give them away for free. But back then, they also supported old releases for longer. I actually suspect this was part of Apple's internal calculus, or part of it. "Free upgrades will get installed by more people, so we can drop old releases more quickly." A fine tradeoff under some circumstances, but right now, the old way of things is looking quite appealing.

dkonofalski 7y ago
>But back then, they also supported old releases for longer. I don't think that's true. I've been an Apple user since just before OS X's release and the support level was always 2 versions back since like Panther.
- Wowfunhappy 7y ago
  Yeah, but since OS's didn't come out annually, that effectively meant a significantly longer support cycle. You could argue "well, what changed isn't price, but release cadence," but they all go hand in hand. If upgrades were paid, the release cadence would probably have to be slower.
greedo 7y ago
I still get patches from Apple for my older Macs that are classified as obsolete. Mostly stuff like Safari etc.
- Wowfunhappy 7y ago
  You do?! What OS, and how recently? I know Mavericks hasn't gotten anything since 2016...

SrslyJosh 7y ago

No, they're just bricking apps if you do upgrade.

dkonofalski 7y ago
Name one.

ralphc 7y ago

_Apple_ never has, but I had to upgrade macOS a couple of years ago because Chrome stopped supporting older versions.