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>legitimately entitled No, they are not. This isn't an upgrade to their existing OS like a patch release. This is a new OS completely and developers were all w

>legitimately entitled No, they are not. This isn't an upgrade to their existing OS like a patch release. This is a new OS completely and developers were all warned years in advance that Catalina would drop 32-bit support. This is not a downgrade in the slightest. >but will later I have a Mac Mini from 2005 that still runs MacOS Leopard just as well as the day I bought it. I can't install all the latest, greatest software on it and I can't even access every website anymore (TLS updates and all that) but it still functions as good, if not better, than it did when I first bought it and runs all the software that's still installed on it. No MacOS update has ever been forced or mandatory. Ever. The customer is not always right but I'm pretty sure offering an OS upgrade is doing right by the customer considering it doesn't cost anything and, for most people, adds far more than it takes away and is, again, optional.

jeremyjh 7y ago
No computer that is not getting security hotfixes is "just as good" as it was when it was getting those updates.
- dkonofalski 7y ago
  Yes it is. Those updates have been applied to it. It does not magically get worse simply because time passes. It does literally everything it did when I bought it and then some because new software came out after it was purchased. Just because it can't run everything else that's come out since then doesn't magically make it stop doing what it's already been able to do.
  - Wowfunhappy 7y ago
    > It does literally everything it did when I bought it and then some because new software came out after it was purchased. It quite literally does not. In 2008, I would have felt comfortable running a Snow Leopard machine with Web Sharing enabled accessible over WAN. Then I could throw whatever I wanted into the ~/Sites folder and access it anywhere. In 2018 I wouldn't dare do this because Snow Leopard's apache is outdated and vulnerable.
    - dkonofalski 7y ago
      >It quite literally does not. It quite literally does. I don't have Web Sharing enabled because the machine isn't hooked up to the network or internet at all. This computer can still do everything it did when I bought it. Even with an outdated Apache server, I can still run the same sites on it now that I did back when I bought it, even if that's not recommended because it may have vulnerabilities. You are wrong.
Wowfunhappy 7y ago
There's a lot of space in between "Company X has wronged me" and "I'm happy with company X". I feel very let down by Apple right now, and I sense the author does too. As the saying goes: I'm not angry, just disappointed. The fact that macOS updates are optional, and you can downgrade at any time, really does help a great deal here. However, Apple's three years of security updates per release isn't much.
- dkonofalski 7y ago
  >I feel very let down by Apple right now And that is totally fine for you to feel that way. You are not, however, entitled to some kind of reparation for that and, if you wrote a diatribe that was comparable to the OP, I would also say that you're making a mountain out of a molehill. Something being disappointing to you, individually, does not make it a massive failure for everyone.
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  - Wowfunhappy 7y ago
    > You are not, however, entitled to some kind of reparation for that Did you get the sense the author feels "entitled to some kind of reparation"? That's not a sentiment I came away with at all.
allset_ 7y ago
>This is a new OS completely I don't disagree with your point as a whole, but Catalina is is not a new OS, it's an incremental upgrade.
- dkonofalski 7y ago
  It's a new OS in the scope that it's dropping 64-bit support completely from all Mac hardware. It will not function the same way that the old macOS versions did and large parts of it are fundamentally different from prior versions.

jeremyjh 7y ago

No computer that is not getting security hotfixes is "just as good" as it was when it was getting those updates.

dkonofalski 7y ago
Yes it is. Those updates have been applied to it. It does not magically get worse simply because time passes. It does literally everything it did when I bought it and then some because new software came out after it was purchased. Just because it can't run everything else that's come out since then doesn't magically make it stop doing what it's already been able to do.
- Wowfunhappy 7y ago
  > It does literally everything it did when I bought it and then some because new software came out after it was purchased. It quite literally does not. In 2008, I would have felt comfortable running a Snow Leopard machine with Web Sharing enabled accessible over WAN. Then I could throw whatever I wanted into the ~/Sites folder and access it anywhere. In 2018 I wouldn't dare do this because Snow Leopard's apache is outdated and vulnerable.
  - dkonofalski 7y ago
    >It quite literally does not. It quite literally does. I don't have Web Sharing enabled because the machine isn't hooked up to the network or internet at all. This computer can still do everything it did when I bought it. Even with an outdated Apache server, I can still run the same sites on it now that I did back when I bought it, even if that's not recommended because it may have vulnerabilities. You are wrong.

Wowfunhappy 7y ago

There's a lot of space in between "Company X has wronged me" and "I'm happy with company X". I feel very let down by Apple right now, and I sense the author does too. As the saying goes: I'm not angry, just disappointed. The fact that macOS updates are optional, and you can downgrade at any time, really does help a great deal here. However, Apple's three years of security updates per release isn't much.

dkonofalski 7y ago
>I feel very let down by Apple right now And that is totally fine for you to feel that way. You are not, however, entitled to some kind of reparation for that and, if you wrote a diatribe that was comparable to the OP, I would also say that you're making a mountain out of a molehill. Something being disappointing to you, individually, does not make it a massive failure for everyone.
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- Wowfunhappy 7y ago
  > You are not, however, entitled to some kind of reparation for that Did you get the sense the author feels "entitled to some kind of reparation"? That's not a sentiment I came away with at all.

allset_ 7y ago

>This is a new OS completely I don't disagree with your point as a whole, but Catalina is is not a new OS, it's an incremental upgrade.

dkonofalski 7y ago
It's a new OS in the scope that it's dropping 64-bit support completely from all Mac hardware. It will not function the same way that the old macOS versions did and large parts of it are fundamentally different from prior versions.