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I still love macOS but Catalina has been the buggiest beta and release that I can recall. When we saw betas of x.1 before there were even GMs/release candidates

I still love macOS but Catalina has been the buggiest beta and release that I can recall. When we saw betas of x.1 before there were even GMs/release candidates of x.0 we knew it was going to be rushed out the door. Even after release it's still randomly losing files. Just yesterday my purchased music downloads just disappeared. No explanation (unless I trashed and emptied them in a fugue state). They were still showing as downloaded in the Music app, but when I tried to play them I got the "File missing. Locate?" dialog, so the Music app wasn't aware of this either. They weren't stored on iCloud Drive either, just the default local music folder, so it wasn't related to the iCloud Drive bug. This was a clean installation on a fresh disk, no third party system level junk, and after the unnumbered OS update they released a while ago. There are quite a few other bugs too. macOS is still the better alternative to Windows, but the wow factor of "It just works!" is becoming rare and bug fatigue is creeping in.

lostgame 7y ago
>> it's still randomly losing files. Whoa, no. That is a huge code red for me as a creative. Especially in the music folder. I work at all crazy times of day and night, inspiration hits, and is often impossible to replace. Not alright.
- deanclatworthy 7y ago
  That’s why as a creative you should be using a backup solution. With modern internet connections backing up is quick and efficient. File loss should be expected on the FS. Many things can and will go wrong one day.
  - arvinsim 7y ago
    Having a backup still doesn't excuse Catalina for that bug.
    - KibbutzDalia 7y ago
      Apparently it does for the Apple zealots.
    - deanclatworthy 7y ago
      Didn’t say it did. But doesn’t matter what OS you’re on, data might get lost at the hardware or software level.
      - exergy 7y ago
        In which case, your point was quite tangential to what was being discussed before, no?
  - mihaaly 7y ago
    adapting to something wrong is no progress at all but the opposite (so what you are saying is that the backup is not buggy? ;) or having cool AI perhaps deciding when a situation is not for backup because it is a wrong situation, now that would be a cute feature, working hard developing cool ML techniques to recognise and handle elementary system f* ups!)
  - jonathanstrange 7y ago
    A big No to that. File loss should be expected due to disk failure, but certainly not "on the file system." That's like saying data loss should be expected in a database. If your FS loses files, get a better FS.
    - pjc50 7y ago
      It's not usually the FS itself losing them, but some process getting misled into deleting the wrong directory.
- Razengan 7y ago
  I’m guessing it was a bug in the Music app, or remote deletion because of new versions/format/DRM but the Music app didn’t notify. Or I did indeed delete them myself but can’t recall. I had no reason to.
- Razengan 7y ago
  A recent major Windows update deleted user documents as well. [0] Seems like it's chaos everywhere. Maybe a conspiracy by Big Backup. [0] https://www.google.com/search?q=windows+update+deleted+documents https://www.google.com/search?q=windows+update+deleted+docum...
TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago
I got to say, my Windows 10 PC at work, with an 8 year old CPU, has been rock fucking solid. So has my 2013 MBPr at home.
- FPGAhacker 7y ago
  My win10 pc at work is living hell, but I’m 95% sure this is all the corporate spyware and anti malware shit my employer throws on top. Windows 10 vanilla is probably pretty nice. [edited to clarify the source of the problem]
  - goatinaboat 7y ago
    It’s possible that your IT Department are idiots of course, but it’s also possible your management insist on downloading random crap from the internet, plugging in random USB drives and so, and powerless to just ban that activity, the IT dept are doing the best they can...
    - stinos 7y ago
      It’s possible that your IT Department are idiots I wouldn't use exactly those words, more like 'not really capable', but yeah, definitely possible. Due to circumstances I can run my own machines out of IT's hands. This is a pretty large university, yet: my Linux, Windows 7 and 10 machines are what I'd call rock solid even despite aged hardware. Better spec'd machines running the same OS managed by IT seem to be riddled with random bugs and in case of Windows also slower.
    - FPGAhacker 7y ago
      I’m sure what’s left of our IT dept has the usual distribution of folks. But we have 100,000+ employees, and basically 1 policy for everyone.
- Pokepokalypse 7y ago
  Seems to me 2013 was the real sweet-spot for MBP. I still use mine almost every single day. It's a beast, and has been very reliable. Keyboard is WAY nicer to type on than the current generation. It's a little thicker and heavier, and lacks USB-c ports, but it's still damn fine.
josteink 7y ago
> it’s still randomly losing files > it is still the better alternative to Windows I’m not sure what kind of Stockholm-syndrome it takes to put these two sentences in the same post. This is just crazy.
- Razengan 7y ago
  Perhaps this simple illustration of a scale will help? BAD ---X-----Y----Z----- GOOD Given the standard definitions of "better" and "worse", Y needs to regress substantially to put it behind X.
  - josteink 7y ago
    An operating system needs to guarantee a minimal level of stability before any other metrics even matter. Randomly losing files is not at all acceptable and IMO puts it below that minimum. The prettiest font-rendering in the world won’t matter if your documents are gone.
    - Razengan 7y ago
      A recent major Windows update deleted user documents as well. [0] Catalina's file loss was confined to iCloud Drive during the beta, and what happened to me was in the Music app after release. I grew up with Windows, and the recent problems with macOS are still not bad enough to make me want to go back to Microsoft. macOS is the occasional burn, while Windows is a constant assault on multiple fronts. UI, spyware, performance, security, consistency, aesthetics, accessibility, lack of a multi-platform ecosystem (phone/tablet/TV) and bugs of its own like every other software. [0] https://www.google.com/search?q=windows+update+deleted+documents https://www.google.com/search?q=windows+update+deleted+docum...
  - collyw 7y ago
    Most users would put "randomly loosing files" pretty far left.
    - Razengan 7y ago

lostgame 7y ago

>> it's still randomly losing files. Whoa, no. That is a huge code red for me as a creative. Especially in the music folder. I work at all crazy times of day and night, inspiration hits, and is often impossible to replace. Not alright.

deanclatworthy 7y ago
That’s why as a creative you should be using a backup solution. With modern internet connections backing up is quick and efficient. File loss should be expected on the FS. Many things can and will go wrong one day.
- arvinsim 7y ago
  Having a backup still doesn't excuse Catalina for that bug.
  - KibbutzDalia 7y ago
    Apparently it does for the Apple zealots.
  - deanclatworthy 7y ago
    Didn’t say it did. But doesn’t matter what OS you’re on, data might get lost at the hardware or software level.
    - exergy 7y ago
      In which case, your point was quite tangential to what was being discussed before, no?
- mihaaly 7y ago
  adapting to something wrong is no progress at all but the opposite (so what you are saying is that the backup is not buggy? ;) or having cool AI perhaps deciding when a situation is not for backup because it is a wrong situation, now that would be a cute feature, working hard developing cool ML techniques to recognise and handle elementary system f* ups!)
- jonathanstrange 7y ago
  A big No to that. File loss should be expected due to disk failure, but certainly not "on the file system." That's like saying data loss should be expected in a database. If your FS loses files, get a better FS.
  - pjc50 7y ago
    It's not usually the FS itself losing them, but some process getting misled into deleting the wrong directory.
Razengan 7y ago
I’m guessing it was a bug in the Music app, or remote deletion because of new versions/format/DRM but the Music app didn’t notify. Or I did indeed delete them myself but can’t recall. I had no reason to.
Razengan 7y ago
A recent major Windows update deleted user documents as well. [0] Seems like it's chaos everywhere. Maybe a conspiracy by Big Backup. [0] https://www.google.com/search?q=windows+update+deleted+documents https://www.google.com/search?q=windows+update+deleted+docum...

TheSpiceIsLife 7y ago

I got to say, my Windows 10 PC at work, with an 8 year old CPU, has been rock fucking solid. So has my 2013 MBPr at home.

FPGAhacker 7y ago
My win10 pc at work is living hell, but I’m 95% sure this is all the corporate spyware and anti malware shit my employer throws on top. Windows 10 vanilla is probably pretty nice. [edited to clarify the source of the problem]
- goatinaboat 7y ago
  It’s possible that your IT Department are idiots of course, but it’s also possible your management insist on downloading random crap from the internet, plugging in random USB drives and so, and powerless to just ban that activity, the IT dept are doing the best they can...
  - stinos 7y ago
    It’s possible that your IT Department are idiots I wouldn't use exactly those words, more like 'not really capable', but yeah, definitely possible. Due to circumstances I can run my own machines out of IT's hands. This is a pretty large university, yet: my Linux, Windows 7 and 10 machines are what I'd call rock solid even despite aged hardware. Better spec'd machines running the same OS managed by IT seem to be riddled with random bugs and in case of Windows also slower.
  - FPGAhacker 7y ago
    I’m sure what’s left of our IT dept has the usual distribution of folks. But we have 100,000+ employees, and basically 1 policy for everyone.
Pokepokalypse 7y ago
Seems to me 2013 was the real sweet-spot for MBP. I still use mine almost every single day. It's a beast, and has been very reliable. Keyboard is WAY nicer to type on than the current generation. It's a little thicker and heavier, and lacks USB-c ports, but it's still damn fine.

josteink 7y ago

> it’s still randomly losing files > it is still the better alternative to Windows I’m not sure what kind of Stockholm-syndrome it takes to put these two sentences in the same post. This is just crazy.

Razengan 7y ago
Perhaps this simple illustration of a scale will help? BAD ---X-----Y----Z----- GOOD Given the standard definitions of "better" and "worse", Y needs to regress substantially to put it behind X.
- josteink 7y ago
  An operating system needs to guarantee a minimal level of stability before any other metrics even matter. Randomly losing files is not at all acceptable and IMO puts it below that minimum. The prettiest font-rendering in the world won’t matter if your documents are gone.
  - Razengan 7y ago
    A recent major Windows update deleted user documents as well. [0] Catalina's file loss was confined to iCloud Drive during the beta, and what happened to me was in the Music app after release. I grew up with Windows, and the recent problems with macOS are still not bad enough to make me want to go back to Microsoft. macOS is the occasional burn, while Windows is a constant assault on multiple fronts. UI, spyware, performance, security, consistency, aesthetics, accessibility, lack of a multi-platform ecosystem (phone/tablet/TV) and bugs of its own like every other software. [0] https://www.google.com/search?q=windows+update+deleted+documents https://www.google.com/search?q=windows+update+deleted+docum...
- collyw 7y ago
  Most users would put "randomly loosing files" pretty far left.
  - Razengan 7y ago