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> It will continue to rise because it offers flexibility ... The cloud is more expensive for large companies, for most workloads. The way I read this is that t

> It will continue to rise because it offers flexibility ... The cloud is more expensive for large companies, for most workloads. The way I read this is that the operating costs are higher in the cloud, but presumably dwarfed by recouped opportunity costs. This makes sense to me, given my limited experience working in large companies where every interaction with IT involved a 2-6 week turnaround time. Need a VM? Fill out a bunch of paperwork and then wait a month. We missed a lot of opportunities that way.

TheCraiggers 7y ago
A private cloud can fix that turnaround time just as easily. The true opportunity cost in large corporations is from, IMHO, been the general attitude of "we can't do foo new thing because that's [not best practice, not (barely) supported by some other large corporation, too cheap, too big of a change, etc]." The ability to create extremely flexible workloads in minutes means nothing when security has to approve sneezes and containers are only something you'd find in a fridge.
KaiserPro 7y ago
Pretty much. Its not so much the availability of physical servers (although that might be an issue) it was the features, and the time it took to port new bits and bobs. A classic example is databases. We had a puppet script that provided a HA-mysql cluster. However, it was very fragile, never really worked and I'm mostly sure the backups never actually took place. It would take me (a devop who was tasked with doing this sort of thing) the best part of 3 days to setup and verify. The whole thing collapsed when the DBA that made it left. RDS is a one click operation. yes its more expensive to run long term, but the saving on staff time was enormous. I will never go back to inhouse rolled puppet, unless it was proven to be outstanding.

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> It will continue to rise because it offers flexibility ... The cloud is more expensive for large companies, for most workloads. The way I read this is that t

by weberc2 7y ago

TheCraiggers 7y ago
A private cloud can fix that turnaround time just as easily. The true opportunity cost in large corporations is from, IMHO, been the general attitude of "we can't do foo new thing because that's [not best practice, not (barely) supported by some other large corporation, too cheap, too big of a change, etc]." The ability to create extremely flexible workloads in minutes means nothing when security has to approve sneezes and containers are only something you'd find in a fridge.
KaiserPro 7y ago
Pretty much. Its not so much the availability of physical servers (although that might be an issue) it was the features, and the time it took to port new bits and bobs. A classic example is databases. We had a puppet script that provided a HA-mysql cluster. However, it was very fragile, never really worked and I'm mostly sure the backups never actually took place. It would take me (a devop who was tasked with doing this sort of thing) the best part of 3 days to setup and verify. The whole thing collapsed when the DBA that made it left. RDS is a one click operation. yes its more expensive to run long term, but the saving on staff time was enormous. I will never go back to inhouse rolled puppet, unless it was proven to be outstanding.