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"why mess with Mail’s classic layout? It’s been my preferred layout since Mac OS X 10.0, and that type of layout has basically been the one I have used since I

"why mess with Mail’s classic layout? It’s been my preferred layout since Mac OS X 10.0, and that type of layout has basically been the one I have used since I started using email more than twenty years ago" This seems to be the heart of the post. I see the value in stable, unchanging things, but I also have to believe the designers at Apple are trying to make things better, and I think that is honorable.

Ididntdothis 7y ago
From what I have seen the designers aren’t making things better but different for its own sake or dumbed down.
imron 7y ago
> but I also have to believe the designers at Apple are trying to make things better Except they're not trying to make things better. They're just changing things - often ignoring their own UI guidelines to do so - and introducing bugs that cause data loss at the same time. Updates shouldn't cause data loss - especially for something as critical as email.
- duskwuff 7y ago
  There is no evidence, and no reason to believe, that the UI changes in Mail are related to reports of data loss.
  - imron 7y ago
    You are correct, updating the UI and the underlying storage mechanism are almost certainly separate things falling under a broader umbrella of "lets change up Mail instead of fixing long-standing bugs". I would really love to see every other major release of macOS and iOS to be a bug-fix release rather than a "lets change all the things" release.
    - SrslyJosh 7y ago
      > I would really love to see every other major release of macOS and iOS to be a bug-fix release rather than a "lets change all the things" release. Here fucking here!
Shivetya 7y ago
Mail on Catalina has no visual difference to me, but this may be because it preserved my layout. now itunes being broken up into multiple apps was more annoying
tomc1985 7y ago
> Apple are trying to make things better, and I think that is honorable. Unwanted help isn't help at all
loriverkutya 7y ago
The heart of the post is that Apperture is crucial to his current workflow and it is not starting in Catalina.
Secretmapper 7y ago
I would have to think you did not read the entire article if you think that is the heart of the post. That's the smallest thing in it.

Ididntdothis 7y ago

From what I have seen the designers aren’t making things better but different for its own sake or dumbed down.

imron 7y ago

> but I also have to believe the designers at Apple are trying to make things better Except they're not trying to make things better. They're just changing things - often ignoring their own UI guidelines to do so - and introducing bugs that cause data loss at the same time. Updates shouldn't cause data loss - especially for something as critical as email.

duskwuff 7y ago
There is no evidence, and no reason to believe, that the UI changes in Mail are related to reports of data loss.
- imron 7y ago
  You are correct, updating the UI and the underlying storage mechanism are almost certainly separate things falling under a broader umbrella of "lets change up Mail instead of fixing long-standing bugs". I would really love to see every other major release of macOS and iOS to be a bug-fix release rather than a "lets change all the things" release.
  - SrslyJosh 7y ago
    > I would really love to see every other major release of macOS and iOS to be a bug-fix release rather than a "lets change all the things" release. Here fucking here!

Shivetya 7y ago

Mail on Catalina has no visual difference to me, but this may be because it preserved my layout. now itunes being broken up into multiple apps was more annoying

tomc1985 7y ago

> Apple are trying to make things better, and I think that is honorable. Unwanted help isn't help at all

loriverkutya 7y ago

The heart of the post is that Apperture is crucial to his current workflow and it is not starting in Catalina.

Secretmapper 7y ago

I would have to think you did not read the entire article if you think that is the heart of the post. That's the smallest thing in it.