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Wouldn't unions at Google be bad. If unions imposed rules guaranteeing seniority benefits/tenure rules that would make it harder for younger workers. I am a fa

Wouldn't unions at Google be bad. If unions imposed rules guaranteeing seniority benefits/tenure rules that would make it harder for younger workers. I am a fan of unions for blue collar work but unions/labor orgs for higher pay organizations seem to be bad because they prevent foreign workers from entering and they make it harder for young people.

drewbug01 7y ago
Unions - at least under US law - are not required to impose seniority rules. Unions which have done so have those rules because at some point, the union’s membership wanted it.
NelsonMinar 7y ago
Does Google have older workers? https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2019/07/23/google-settles-age-discrimination-lawsuit-highlighting-the-proliferation-of-ageism-in-hiring/#3b9f81d45c67 https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2019/07/23/google-set...
- mav3rick 7y ago
  Yes they do. Many good experienced engineers.
  - ansidyskop 7y ago
    I wonder how you define old and many. If you're 36, you look around one day and realize you're the "old" dev. That's kind of the reality of the software industry, though. I moved into FAANG from a different engineering discipline, where engineers increase in value as they get older. In software, sadly, age isn't much of an asset. Most of what you spend your time learning today will be irrelevant in a few years.
    - SomeOldThrow 7y ago
      > In software, sadly, age isn't much of an asset. Most of what you spend your time learning today will be irrelevant in a few years. Kind of—but everything old is new again. I was surprised to find I actually have a pretty good understanding of Babel/typescript/webpack because they’re just reimplementing the c compiler and linker in JavaScript, albeit with very little solid documentation. Most of the interesting language ideas are pretty old—smalltalk still looks futuristic to me. Thinking about systemic failure is really hard and that takes time to develop.
daniel-cussen 7y ago
The NBA and NFL are unionized and they don't make it harder for younger workers.
- Gibbon1 7y ago
  I'm reminded of a friend that belongs to a union. He got in because he was waiting tables at a diner the union guys when to. One of the guys retired and they strong armed him into applying.
- tomjakubowski 7y ago
  In both the NBA and NFL, younger players are subject to the draft and there are caps on rookie contracts, and in the NFL young players only get restricted free agency. Similar restrictions and caps for younger, less-experienced players also exist in organized baseball.

drewbug01 7y ago

Unions - at least under US law - are not required to impose seniority rules. Unions which have done so have those rules because at some point, the union’s membership wanted it.

NelsonMinar 7y ago

Does Google have older workers? https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2019/07/23/google-settles-age-discrimination-lawsuit-highlighting-the-proliferation-of-ageism-in-hiring/#3b9f81d45c67 https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2019/07/23/google-set...

mav3rick 7y ago
Yes they do. Many good experienced engineers.
- ansidyskop 7y ago
  I wonder how you define old and many. If you're 36, you look around one day and realize you're the "old" dev. That's kind of the reality of the software industry, though. I moved into FAANG from a different engineering discipline, where engineers increase in value as they get older. In software, sadly, age isn't much of an asset. Most of what you spend your time learning today will be irrelevant in a few years.
  - SomeOldThrow 7y ago
    > In software, sadly, age isn't much of an asset. Most of what you spend your time learning today will be irrelevant in a few years. Kind of—but everything old is new again. I was surprised to find I actually have a pretty good understanding of Babel/typescript/webpack because they’re just reimplementing the c compiler and linker in JavaScript, albeit with very little solid documentation. Most of the interesting language ideas are pretty old—smalltalk still looks futuristic to me. Thinking about systemic failure is really hard and that takes time to develop.

daniel-cussen 7y ago

The NBA and NFL are unionized and they don't make it harder for younger workers.

Gibbon1 7y ago
I'm reminded of a friend that belongs to a union. He got in because he was waiting tables at a diner the union guys when to. One of the guys retired and they strong armed him into applying.
tomjakubowski 7y ago
In both the NBA and NFL, younger players are subject to the draft and there are caps on rookie contracts, and in the NFL young players only get restricted free agency. Similar restrictions and caps for younger, less-experienced players also exist in organized baseball.