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> pro-union propaganda party Typically you just say "organizing".
by SomeOldThrow 7y ago
> pro-union propaganda party
Typically you just say "organizing".
- Porthos9K 7y agoThis should not be grayed, but HN is full of bootlickers.
- tdb7893 7y agoMy experience is that HN often aligns with more Libertarian ideologies in the comment section.
- Porthos9K 7y agoReal libertarians, or the "privatize tyranny" crowd?
- claudeganon 7y agoI’ve seen people downvoted for highlighting that “libertarian” was a term invented in the context of anarchist and socialist struggle before being co-opted by the right, so I’m going to go with the latter...
- Porthos9K 7y agoThere are a lot of techies on HN with no sense of history. I blame the "STEM uber alles" educational agenda we've been pushing in the US ever since Sputnik.
- gfdgsgaagrhstrs 7y ago> privatize tyranny Unquestionably this.
- vkou 7y agoI can't take that claim too seriously, because a real Libertarian would welcome a free, and non-coercive association between employees as much as they welcome the free, and completely non-coercive association between an employee, and their employer... (I am, of course, not at all coerced to work under the conditions my employer sets upon me!) But for some reason, many Libertarians have nothing but contempt for the former. It could be that the ideology has been a bit subverted...
- dahdum 7y agoThis hypothetical “real libertarian” would welcome far more than that, and most of it not for the benefit of workers. I’m simply stating it’s foolish to expect Google to actively work against their best interests. To provide material support and a platform for unopposed speech on a viewpoint they actively oppose. There’s nothing stopping these employees from doing this on their own free time and with their own resources.
- Porthos9K 7y ago> I’m simply stating it’s foolish to expect Google to actively work against their best interests. I think you're indulging in reification here. Google has no best interests because Google is just a legal fiction with no real-world existence apart from its constituent individuals. The investors have their interests. Management has their interests. The workers have their interests. But Google itself has no interests, and for too long we've conflated the interests of Google's management and investors with those of the company as a whole while disregarding those of the vast majority of the people associated with Google: the workers whose work makes Google's billions in revenue possible while getting pennies on every dollar of value they provide. > To provide material support and a platform for unopposed speech on a viewpoint they actively oppose. Management has no business having an opinion on unionization one way or the other. If anything, most managers should be pro-union since they're as likely to get thrown under the bus to keep profits up as their direct reports. > There’s nothing stopping these employees from doing this on their own free time and with their own resources. From an opsec viewpoint, the smart thing to do would be to organize outside Google offices and then blindside the company with a wildcat strike, but that's easier said than done when you're expected to work twelve hours a day to prove you're passionate.
- Kiro 7y agoI have the complete opposite experience so I guess the reality is in between.
- claudiawerner 7y agoI upvoted your comment, but only because I think it agrees with the person you're replying to.
- AnimalMuppet 7y ago"Libertarian ideology" = "bootlicker" to you? I question the validity of your classification system. Or did I misunderstand your comment?