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I understand it's more complicated than that, however you are just saying "what about the US?", "what about Saudi Arabia". Sure we can have conversations on all

by proc0 7y ago

I understand it's more complicated than that, however you are just saying "what about the US?", "what about Saudi Arabia". Sure we can have conversations on all of those issues as well, however, China is, imho, on a different level. There are billions of mainland Chinese, and somehow they are ok with how they are being treated. Compare and contrast to almost any other country that has human right violations... with exception of some Muslim countries (which keep their citizens in fear like China), you can clearly see citizens fighting for more rights. Brazil has civil unrests all the time. China somehow, even after thousands of years, has managed to keep a government that basically owns their people. Most other modern countries have had their people's revolution, especially in the west. I think this is what it boils down to. Chinese don't see their government as an institution as much as an extension of their own identity it seems.

WaxProlix 7y ago
> Chinese don't see their government as an institution as much as an extension of their own identity An interesting hypothesis, specific to a group of states under the China umbrella. It'd be worth exploring more, maybe. Of course what you actually said was "brainless sheeple asian values", which is very different in ways that I'm not particularly keen to get into.
- proc0 7y ago
  Sure, that's not the best wording and was borderline trolling to make a caricature to keep it short. Didn't mean any offense to anyone as I'm not thinking of any particular people, but rather whatever behavior that is going on in mainland China that allows the government to do anything they want. So it seems this behavior is condoned by the people somehow. If this is completely voluntary, then those people are as bad as the government, and if it isn't then I can only conclude they turn a blind eye to avoid punishment. It's just hard not to also blame the people here, and somehow just blame the government... after all they are the ones to make this equivalence of how the government of China IS the people. If they blur this line, then why would we re-draw it?

by proc0 7y ago

WaxProlix 7y ago

> Chinese don't see their government as an institution as much as an extension of their own identity An interesting hypothesis, specific to a group of states under the China umbrella. It'd be worth exploring more, maybe. Of course what you actually said was "brainless sheeple asian values", which is very different in ways that I'm not particularly keen to get into.

proc0 7y ago
Sure, that's not the best wording and was borderline trolling to make a caricature to keep it short. Didn't mean any offense to anyone as I'm not thinking of any particular people, but rather whatever behavior that is going on in mainland China that allows the government to do anything they want. So it seems this behavior is condoned by the people somehow. If this is completely voluntary, then those people are as bad as the government, and if it isn't then I can only conclude they turn a blind eye to avoid punishment. It's just hard not to also blame the people here, and somehow just blame the government... after all they are the ones to make this equivalence of how the government of China IS the people. If they blur this line, then why would we re-draw it?