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People keep saying this, but from what I could find on DDG's website, Bing is just one of several sources they use, one of which is their own crawler.

utopcell 7y ago
No need to take my word for it, just search on both and look at the 10 blue links. Makes you think why they present Google as compromising your privacy, but they're dead-silent when it comes to Microsoft. Or Yandex, their other search partner.
- machello13 7y ago
  I just tried this and the first 2 results matched up, but the rest were different. And not just ordering (on the first page at least) — DuckDuckGo had some Bing didn't, and vice versa.
  - utopcell 7y ago
    What was your query ?
- jerf 7y ago
  If all DuckDuckGo did was proxy my search request through to Bing while stripping away all identifying information, while not storing any identifying information themselves, they would still achieve the goal of securing my privacy. It's not about search engines seeing search requests, it's about tying them to particular people.
  - elihu 7y ago
    Privacy is a big deal, but even when privacy is guaranteed it's still a problem that the public's ability to find information on the Internet is effectively controlled by two large tech companies, Google and Microsoft. I hope that eventually we have a lot more competing search engines.
  - utopcell 7y ago
    Whatever makes you happy as a user. If they make you think your privacy is respected, all the more power to you. It really boils down to this: Can you trust a small company that chooses to grow via smearing campaigns, provides sub-par results, and _claims_ that it protects your data while sometimes feeding your queries off-shore, or the tech leader that tells you exactly what it knows about you, allows you to search privately and is widely believed to be the best search offering ?
    - osamagirl69 7y ago
      Is that a serious question? I trust DDG infinitely more than I trust google, because google openly admits they are abusing me where as DDG states in clear writing that they are not. I mean it is possible that DDG is lying, but what could they do that is _worse_ than google?
    - jerf 7y ago
      You have misinterpreted my post. It is an "if-then" statement, not a claim about whatever DDG may currently do. However, I will say that I don't see a hell of a lot of point in playing more-contrarian-than-thou on this topic. If DDG put its entire staff onto full time evil, they still could not, in my personal opinion, match Google. Contrarianess may feel good and be fun in internet posts, but it's no way to actually make decisions.
- diffeomorphism 7y ago
  Just tried with diffeomorphism. The first two links to wikipedia and mathworld are the same (also the first links on google). Everything else is different. But don't let facts get in the way of your "makes you think" theories.
  - utopcell 7y ago
    8 out of 10 results are identical. ddg returns a Japanese result on the first page for some reason. 10 first links from Bing: 1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffeomorphism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffeomorphism 2 mathworld.wolfram.com/Diffeomorphism.html 3 https://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/diffeomorphism https://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/diffeomorphism 4 https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/301364/what-is-a-diffeomorphism https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/301364/what-is-a-di... 5 https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/index.php/Diffeomorphism https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/index.php/Diffeomorphism 6 https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/diffeomorphism https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/diffeomo... 7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffeomorphism_invariance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffeomorphism_invariance (8) dictionary.sensagent.com/Diffeomorphism/en-en 9 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_diffeomorphism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_diffeomorphism (10) https://ipfs.io/.../wiki/Diffeomorphism.html https://ipfs.io/.../wiki/Diffeomorphism.html 10 first links from ddg: 1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffeomorphism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffeomorphism 2 mathworld.wolfram.com/Diffeomorphism.html 3 https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/301364/what-is-a-diffeomorphism https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/301364/what-is-a-di... 4 https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/index.php/Diffeomorphism https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/index.php/Diffeomorphism 5 https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/diffeomorphism https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/diffeomo... 6 https://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/diffeomorphism https://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/diffeomorphism 7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_diffeomorphism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_diffeomorphism 8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffeomorphism_invariance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffeomorphism_invariance (9) https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/760433/prove-that-function-f-is-diffeomor https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/760433/prove-that-f... (10) https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/微分同相写像 https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/微分同相写像

utopcell 7y ago

No need to take my word for it, just search on both and look at the 10 blue links. Makes you think why they present Google as compromising your privacy, but they're dead-silent when it comes to Microsoft. Or Yandex, their other search partner.

machello13 7y ago
I just tried this and the first 2 results matched up, but the rest were different. And not just ordering (on the first page at least) — DuckDuckGo had some Bing didn't, and vice versa.
- utopcell 7y ago
  What was your query ?
jerf 7y ago
If all DuckDuckGo did was proxy my search request through to Bing while stripping away all identifying information, while not storing any identifying information themselves, they would still achieve the goal of securing my privacy. It's not about search engines seeing search requests, it's about tying them to particular people.
- elihu 7y ago
  Privacy is a big deal, but even when privacy is guaranteed it's still a problem that the public's ability to find information on the Internet is effectively controlled by two large tech companies, Google and Microsoft. I hope that eventually we have a lot more competing search engines.
- utopcell 7y ago
  Whatever makes you happy as a user. If they make you think your privacy is respected, all the more power to you. It really boils down to this: Can you trust a small company that chooses to grow via smearing campaigns, provides sub-par results, and _claims_ that it protects your data while sometimes feeding your queries off-shore, or the tech leader that tells you exactly what it knows about you, allows you to search privately and is widely believed to be the best search offering ?
  - osamagirl69 7y ago
    Is that a serious question? I trust DDG infinitely more than I trust google, because google openly admits they are abusing me where as DDG states in clear writing that they are not. I mean it is possible that DDG is lying, but what could they do that is _worse_ than google?
  - jerf 7y ago
    You have misinterpreted my post. It is an "if-then" statement, not a claim about whatever DDG may currently do. However, I will say that I don't see a hell of a lot of point in playing more-contrarian-than-thou on this topic. If DDG put its entire staff onto full time evil, they still could not, in my personal opinion, match Google. Contrarianess may feel good and be fun in internet posts, but it's no way to actually make decisions.
diffeomorphism 7y ago
Just tried with diffeomorphism. The first two links to wikipedia and mathworld are the same (also the first links on google). Everything else is different. But don't let facts get in the way of your "makes you think" theories.
- utopcell 7y ago
  8 out of 10 results are identical. ddg returns a Japanese result on the first page for some reason. 10 first links from Bing: 1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffeomorphism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffeomorphism 2 mathworld.wolfram.com/Diffeomorphism.html 3 https://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/diffeomorphism https://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/diffeomorphism 4 https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/301364/what-is-a-diffeomorphism https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/301364/what-is-a-di... 5 https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/index.php/Diffeomorphism https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/index.php/Diffeomorphism 6 https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/diffeomorphism https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/diffeomo... 7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffeomorphism_invariance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffeomorphism_invariance (8) dictionary.sensagent.com/Diffeomorphism/en-en 9 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_diffeomorphism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_diffeomorphism (10) https://ipfs.io/.../wiki/Diffeomorphism.html https://ipfs.io/.../wiki/Diffeomorphism.html 10 first links from ddg: 1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffeomorphism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffeomorphism 2 mathworld.wolfram.com/Diffeomorphism.html 3 https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/301364/what-is-a-diffeomorphism https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/301364/what-is-a-di... 4 https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/index.php/Diffeomorphism https://www.encyclopediaofmath.org/index.php/Diffeomorphism 5 https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/diffeomorphism https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/diffeomo... 6 https://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/diffeomorphism https://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/diffeomorphism 7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_diffeomorphism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_diffeomorphism 8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffeomorphism_invariance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffeomorphism_invariance (9) https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/760433/prove-that-function-f-is-diffeomor https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/760433/prove-that-f... (10) https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/微分同相写像 https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/微分同相写像