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The difference is that with American cultural values the freedom to criticize them remains. The option exists to say "I don't care for the US's culture or valu
by ivl 7y ago
The difference is that with American cultural values the freedom to criticize them remains. The option exists to say "I don't care for the US's culture or values".
I fear the concept of an internet where posts are censored and police arrive at your door for the wrong opinion.
- vkou 7y agoThe option also exists to say "I don't care for China's culture of values", you just have to not worry about selling your media there. You're speaking from an incredible position of privilege - from the point of view of a net exporter of culture. Countries that were net importers of culture never had this concern. Nobody in Germany would care about this sort of thing, for instance, because, I am sorry to say, nobody outside of Germany consumes German culture. Nobody in Germany needs to tailor their speech to not offend China, because nobody in China cares to listen to what they, their films, or their sports teams have to say. This whole thing is uniquely an American problem - and you're discovering what it feels like to have your culture be shaped by the orthodoxies of a foreign set of values. It sucks, but that's how the rest of the world has had to operate for a long, long time.
- harryh 7y agonobody outside of Germany consumes German culture Everyone in the world that listens to electronic music would like to disagree with you.
- rayiner 7y agoIt's not just America's problem, it's everyone's problem. It's a problem for people in the developing world who will be dominated by Chinese and other influences. I'm from Bangladesh, where we have some high-minded, western ideas of freedom of speech and press baked into our constitution. It's a good start, but our implementation has been less than perfect to date: https://www.dw.com/en/is-bangladeshs-media-freedom-deteriorating/a-44854327 https://www.dw.com/en/is-bangladeshs-media-freedom-deteriora.... I had long assumed--hoped--that the arc of history would point in only one way: closing the gap between practice and ideal in the direction of more freedom. But what now? Bangladesh is beset by forces that don't value liberty. Wahhabism from one side and Chinese Communism from the other. Neither is the path to enduring liberty and prosperity for Bangladeshis. Who will fight those forces? Europe long ago abdicated any role in evangelizing its own ideas. Americans are the only westerners left who believe in their hearts that their values are universal, and that means the world need America more than ever. The last thing they need is for America to equivocate, pull back, or, worse, start dismantling its own framework of liberty.
- stale2002 7y ago> I don't care for China's culture of values", you just have to not worry about selling your media there. Ok, so then you agree that the America system is more free, and better? Because in America you can say that you don't like America, and you are not going to have your right to sell in America taken away.
- vkou 7y agoNo, but let's not pretend that there aren't incredibly powerful forces that very much constrain what you can say in media... If you ever want to make a living off it. Consider: Why are artists criticized for selling out? Why do they do it, regardless? Why does, for instance, counter-consumerist media get co-opted into consumerist messaging? This pressure is not done via law. It is done by basic economics. Well, guess what, basic economics of a foreign country are now putting pressure on media producers. Welcome to where we kept the rest of the world, for the past ~60 years.
- stale2002 7y agoThere seems to be a pretty big difference between customers voluntarily choosing what to buy and not buy, and the government making the decision for consumers, and not giving them a choice. The country is taking away rights that the consumers deserve to have.
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