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Your using logic to answer a question that is normally one of emotion. A single non elected ruler is going to make decisions on whim not process. As long as t

Your using logic to answer a question that is normally one of emotion. A single non elected ruler is going to make decisions on whim not process. As long as there is one unchecked person, you can basically be assured that unpredictability will be the norm.

mrmuagi 7y ago
> A single non elected ruler is going to make decisions on whim not process. power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely
colechristensen 7y ago
I think both the freedom of kings and the accountability of elected officials are being exaggerated. Both are constrained by the game they're playing and both have much freedom to make bad decisions. Government power, regardless of the type of government, only exists as a result of the consent of the people. Any kind of government uses much of that power to manipulate that consent into whatever their desires may be and they all have great but limited success.
- bksenior 7y ago
  The statement is self defeating. Absolute power is playing far less "a game" for the continuted hold of power than is elected. You're right that people generally do whatever it is they think they can get away with, but simply put a king doesnt asnwer to anyone so he is more likely to act in self interest than someone who needs to please others.
  - arcticbull 7y ago
    There is an accountability, both international as we saw here, and domestic which we likely won’t see unless it becomes overwhelming. A monarch who loses support of their people is not long for the role either. Just as one who loses support of their international benefactors. Yes they may get away with more of these “domestic” matters than might a democratically elected leader but that doesn’t mean much in the long run. Just look at Venezuela. Maduro won’t be around forever. There’s no such thing as absolute power in the realm of governance.
  - colechristensen 7y ago
    Julius Caesar was accountable to quite a few knives, so many French were accountable to the guillotine, and generally there is always a threat to be accountable to a revolution or usurper which with absolute power are all too frequent. Those just being the most dramatic and memorable forms of accountability. There is no such thing as absolute power even in an absolute monarch. Power is paid for in one currency or another.
  - tjalfi 7y ago
    Absolute power doesn't mean that you can act with impunity. Mohammad bin Salman must retain the support of the heads of the army, secret police, and such or he will be replaced. The Dictator's Handbook[0] discusses this topic in detail. The Rules for Rulers[1] is an 18 minute video that summarizes some of the principles of the book. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dictator%27s_Handbook https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dictator%27s_Handbook [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs
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Iv 7y ago
KSA leaders have been more predictable than American presidents. International rules are set up so that people have incentives to follow them. Any leader, elected or not, may decide to nationalize and confiscate assets in his country. There are consequences to that and they are pretty serious. If you own assets that get confiscated in KSA, depending on how your organization is set up, you can get judges to seize KSA assets in another country. It does happen: https://www.businessinsider.com/hedge-fund-elliott-capital-management-seizes-ara-libertad-ship-owned-by-argentina-2012-10 https://www.businessinsider.com/hedge-fund-elliott-capital-m...

mrmuagi 7y ago

> A single non elected ruler is going to make decisions on whim not process. power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely

colechristensen 7y ago

I think both the freedom of kings and the accountability of elected officials are being exaggerated. Both are constrained by the game they're playing and both have much freedom to make bad decisions. Government power, regardless of the type of government, only exists as a result of the consent of the people. Any kind of government uses much of that power to manipulate that consent into whatever their desires may be and they all have great but limited success.

bksenior 7y ago
The statement is self defeating. Absolute power is playing far less "a game" for the continuted hold of power than is elected. You're right that people generally do whatever it is they think they can get away with, but simply put a king doesnt asnwer to anyone so he is more likely to act in self interest than someone who needs to please others.
- arcticbull 7y ago
  There is an accountability, both international as we saw here, and domestic which we likely won’t see unless it becomes overwhelming. A monarch who loses support of their people is not long for the role either. Just as one who loses support of their international benefactors. Yes they may get away with more of these “domestic” matters than might a democratically elected leader but that doesn’t mean much in the long run. Just look at Venezuela. Maduro won’t be around forever. There’s no such thing as absolute power in the realm of governance.
- colechristensen 7y ago
  Julius Caesar was accountable to quite a few knives, so many French were accountable to the guillotine, and generally there is always a threat to be accountable to a revolution or usurper which with absolute power are all too frequent. Those just being the most dramatic and memorable forms of accountability. There is no such thing as absolute power even in an absolute monarch. Power is paid for in one currency or another.
- tjalfi 7y ago
  Absolute power doesn't mean that you can act with impunity. Mohammad bin Salman must retain the support of the heads of the army, secret police, and such or he will be replaced. The Dictator's Handbook[0] discusses this topic in detail. The Rules for Rulers[1] is an 18 minute video that summarizes some of the principles of the book. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dictator%27s_Handbook https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dictator%27s_Handbook [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs
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Iv 7y ago

KSA leaders have been more predictable than American presidents. International rules are set up so that people have incentives to follow them. Any leader, elected or not, may decide to nationalize and confiscate assets in his country. There are consequences to that and they are pretty serious. If you own assets that get confiscated in KSA, depending on how your organization is set up, you can get judges to seize KSA assets in another country. It does happen: https://www.businessinsider.com/hedge-fund-elliott-capital-management-seizes-ara-libertad-ship-owned-by-argentina-2012-10 https://www.businessinsider.com/hedge-fund-elliott-capital-m...