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I think that's the ruling party way of things: They usually try to obliterate into particles whoever dares to oppose them. Or whoever crosses their path; or who

by ericol 7y ago

I think that's the ruling party way of things: They usually try to obliterate into particles whoever dares to oppose them. Or whoever crosses their path; or whoever they don't like for whatever reason. Just take a look at the Uyghurs situation. * edited because it seems people where taking offence on I miss using the word Chinese instead of "ruling party", that is actually what I meant.

falcolas 7y ago
How did their idiom go? "We'll grind you up and crush your bones." Sure, it is just an idiom, but it speaks to the thoroughness of their punishments. EDIT: This is a direct, and recent, quote from Xí Jìnpíng when discussing (with foreign leaders) how the Chinese government will treat anyone who tries to split or sew dissent in China.
- cyc116 7y ago
  How does the English idiom goes? "ignorance is bliss" Sure, it's just an idiom, but it definitely sound like it applies to you when you make a racial comment like that.
  - falcolas 7y ago
    Is it a racial comment when the leader of a country uses that exact quote to describe how they will deal with anyone who threatens the harmony of China, including the situations that the grandparent was referring to? https://supchina.com/2019/10/15/well-grind-you-up-and-crush-your-bones-tough-talk-from-chinas-leader/ https://supchina.com/2019/10/15/well-grind-you-up-and-crush-...
    - cyc116 7y ago
      Reply to comment from Falcolas: > Is it a racial comment when the leader of a country uses that exact quote to describe how they will deal with anyone who threatens the harmony of China, including the situations that the grandparent was referring to? It is, when your message is an explicit commented on "I think that's the Chinese way of thing:[...]". Please understand that Xi does not speak for all Chinese (hence the protest and conflict) and having an idiom about crushing bones says next to nothing about how a culture or race is. There are plenty of idioms in English about idiots. Does that say anything about English speakers? I highly doubt it. --- Update Pardon my words. I said it too hastily and don't mean to accuse you. I am born in China and have lived 10 years there. I disagree with some of the actions of the current Chinese government but I am also frustrated with people commenting on things without spending enough time to self educate. The link that you have attached seem to be mostly anti-government and (IMO) provides a very limited view on a very complex problem.
      - falcolas 7y ago
        I called it out as an idiom, because the non-idiomatic use is worse. And, while not qualified initially, I was speaking specifically about Xí Jìnpíng use of it. That said, when the leader of a country uses a phrase, it is going to reflect on the entire country. And yes, that includes various Trumpisms as well. I knew plenty of perfectly nice people who voted for Trump. Some regret it, others do not; but both are tainted unconsciously by their direct association with Trump. And even though I had no (practical) say in his election, his words taint my presence in the eyes of others. EDIT: Most things are complex. However, I can not come up with a scenario where China's actions against Hong Kong protesters can be considered to be "correct" and "good". At least no scenario that doesn't involve a lot of lying to others and to oneself. And Xí Jìnpíng's use of the idiom feels a bit literal when it comes to what is happening in HK.
      - bsder 7y ago
        > Please understand that Xi does not speak for all Chinese That may be. But, unfortunately, the vast majority of mainland Chinese are perfectly fine with what the Chinese leadership are doing. Yes, it may be due to propaganda. Yes, they may not know any better. Yes, they may be being blackmailed. Tough. Justification doesn't help much when you are the one receiving pointy end of the stick.
      - cyc116 7y ago
        Thanks for following up @falcolas and fair point to both of you (falcolas and bsder). Unfortunate that it is indeed the case.
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- dang 7y ago
  Please don't take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar. It's not what this site is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
teknologist 7y ago
That's very much a CCP thing. Chinese people are actually rather nice.
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SkyMarshal 7y ago
Chinese way or Communist Party way? They’re not necessarily the same.
- ericol 7y ago
  Well, to be fair they stopped being "communist" a long time ago. But yes, you are conrrect: By "China" I didn't mean the whole of China acts that way. It's their current government.
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by ericol 7y ago

falcolas 7y ago

How did their idiom go? "We'll grind you up and crush your bones." Sure, it is just an idiom, but it speaks to the thoroughness of their punishments. EDIT: This is a direct, and recent, quote from Xí Jìnpíng when discussing (with foreign leaders) how the Chinese government will treat anyone who tries to split or sew dissent in China.

cyc116 7y ago
How does the English idiom goes? "ignorance is bliss" Sure, it's just an idiom, but it definitely sound like it applies to you when you make a racial comment like that.
- falcolas 7y ago
  Is it a racial comment when the leader of a country uses that exact quote to describe how they will deal with anyone who threatens the harmony of China, including the situations that the grandparent was referring to? https://supchina.com/2019/10/15/well-grind-you-up-and-crush-your-bones-tough-talk-from-chinas-leader/ https://supchina.com/2019/10/15/well-grind-you-up-and-crush-...
  - cyc116 7y ago
    Reply to comment from Falcolas: > Is it a racial comment when the leader of a country uses that exact quote to describe how they will deal with anyone who threatens the harmony of China, including the situations that the grandparent was referring to? It is, when your message is an explicit commented on "I think that's the Chinese way of thing:[...]". Please understand that Xi does not speak for all Chinese (hence the protest and conflict) and having an idiom about crushing bones says next to nothing about how a culture or race is. There are plenty of idioms in English about idiots. Does that say anything about English speakers? I highly doubt it. --- Update Pardon my words. I said it too hastily and don't mean to accuse you. I am born in China and have lived 10 years there. I disagree with some of the actions of the current Chinese government but I am also frustrated with people commenting on things without spending enough time to self educate. The link that you have attached seem to be mostly anti-government and (IMO) provides a very limited view on a very complex problem.
    - falcolas 7y ago
      I called it out as an idiom, because the non-idiomatic use is worse. And, while not qualified initially, I was speaking specifically about Xí Jìnpíng use of it. That said, when the leader of a country uses a phrase, it is going to reflect on the entire country. And yes, that includes various Trumpisms as well. I knew plenty of perfectly nice people who voted for Trump. Some regret it, others do not; but both are tainted unconsciously by their direct association with Trump. And even though I had no (practical) say in his election, his words taint my presence in the eyes of others. EDIT: Most things are complex. However, I can not come up with a scenario where China's actions against Hong Kong protesters can be considered to be "correct" and "good". At least no scenario that doesn't involve a lot of lying to others and to oneself. And Xí Jìnpíng's use of the idiom feels a bit literal when it comes to what is happening in HK.
    - bsder 7y ago
      > Please understand that Xi does not speak for all Chinese That may be. But, unfortunately, the vast majority of mainland Chinese are perfectly fine with what the Chinese leadership are doing. Yes, it may be due to propaganda. Yes, they may not know any better. Yes, they may be being blackmailed. Tough. Justification doesn't help much when you are the one receiving pointy end of the stick.
    - cyc116 7y ago
      Thanks for following up @falcolas and fair point to both of you (falcolas and bsder). Unfortunate that it is indeed the case.
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dang 7y ago
Please don't take HN threads further into nationalistic flamewar. It's not what this site is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

teknologist 7y ago

That's very much a CCP thing. Chinese people are actually rather nice.

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SkyMarshal 7y ago

Chinese way or Communist Party way? They’re not necessarily the same.

ericol 7y ago
Well, to be fair they stopped being "communist" a long time ago. But yes, you are conrrect: By "China" I didn't mean the whole of China acts that way. It's their current government.
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