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Show HN: Dissoc, a simple Reddit like site without voting system

16 points by aks579 7y ago

thrax 7y ago
Where's the blackjack and hookers?
phailhaus 7y ago
Without a voting system, users have no way to find "quality" content. Everything is mixed together, which means that the signal to noise ratio is only going to get lower and lower as more people contribute to the community.
- rezmeplease 7y ago
  This exactly The voting system is extremely important if not necessary for any sort of forum site. Like phail said you won't be able to find quality content, which means if the site takes off or gains enough followings it will devolve into chaos of shitposting, fake news, and garbage. Of course there still will be good content yes but you won't be able to tell one from another.
  - aks579 7y ago
    While I agree with you that voting is required for filtering, voting alone is not the best way to find engaging content in a discussion focused website and so I think that a post with most comments or replies is what makes it engaging and that's the focus of this website.
  - claudiawerner 7y ago
    I consider that to be a feature. Voting systems mean that homogeneity is prized first and foremost, since most people only look at what's highly voted. This leads to a situation where the site will foster users with particular views and biases. Voting systems can also be gamed (like on Reddit), when you can pay some people to bot-upvote your post. Applied to comments, it's even worse. "Echochambers" on places like Reddit aren't formed just from mod bans, but because they attract users who upvote content that appeals to their biases and downvote the rest. That's how they control the discourse. This is in my view one thing 2channel-style boards get right. Not everything has to be about "quality content", and it does a bit of a disservice to users to say that they have such little control that they can't tell good content from bad. Humans aren't animals, we don't just take what we're given. Sites like Reddit, HN and Twitter destroy that agency within us, and it's a shame. Here is an essay by Shii, one of the most well known historians of imageboard culture on the value of anonymity: http://wakaba.c3.cx/shii/ http://wakaba.c3.cx/shii/
RenRav 7y ago
You can do without voting. All you need is a way to discern what is popular, in order to display 'popular' and 'new' categories. For example by measuring comments and clicks, maybe the amount of time users spend on the comment page relative to the amount of comments. Not a great idea since it can be gamed, but what can't nowadays. It would probably favor clickbait, violence, etc like every other system. The only escape from this on a user-submitted site, if there are no subcategories outright banning certain content, is what's already in place, just sorting everything by date.
- aks579 7y ago
  Exactly and that's being achieved by the number of comments on a particular post.
- lathiat 7y ago
  content is not valuable just because someone clicked it, you cant know its valuable until after having read it. otherwise its all about the headline, which is a bit of a reality of modern day news, but this would just make that situation worse. secondly just because you dont want to comment doesn't mean its not valuable. so basically this just seems like a plainly terrible idea.
sebst 7y ago
Maybe I'm biased, but in the last days there were plenty of Show HNs about social networks: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21252544 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21252544 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21241476 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21241476 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21224211 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21224211 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21312318 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21312318
- ChristianBundy 7y ago
  All centralized, too. :(
- thosakwe 7y ago
  It's interesting that they're all Reddit derivatives.
pippy 7y ago
You could also poll the client to see what threads they're reading. You could add this to an engagement score of some sort. On a page with a long list, you add this score to all the items on it they're reading
irascible 7y ago
How many moderators do you have, and what are the criterion for banning/blocking posts?
zadokshi 7y ago
The heading/title should say: “We reimplemented reddit, but took out the feature of reddit that made reddit a success” PS: the OP’s site is now super NSFW. I assume someone is tying to prove a point :)
- smashthepants 7y ago
  From the show HN rules linked at the very top of the page: In Comments Be respectful. Anyone sharing work is making a contribution, however modest. Ask questions out of curiosity. Don't cross-examine. Instead of "you're doing it wrong", suggest alternatives. When someone is learning, help them learn more. When something isn't good, you needn't pretend that it is. But don't be gratuitously negative.

16 points by aks579 7y ago

Where's the blackjack and hookers?

Without a voting system, users have no way to find "quality" content. Everything is mixed together, which means that the signal to noise ratio is only going to get lower and lower as more people contribute to the community.

rezmeplease 7y ago
This exactly The voting system is extremely important if not necessary for any sort of forum site. Like phail said you won't be able to find quality content, which means if the site takes off or gains enough followings it will devolve into chaos of shitposting, fake news, and garbage. Of course there still will be good content yes but you won't be able to tell one from another.
- aks579 7y ago
  While I agree with you that voting is required for filtering, voting alone is not the best way to find engaging content in a discussion focused website and so I think that a post with most comments or replies is what makes it engaging and that's the focus of this website.
- claudiawerner 7y ago
  I consider that to be a feature. Voting systems mean that homogeneity is prized first and foremost, since most people only look at what's highly voted. This leads to a situation where the site will foster users with particular views and biases. Voting systems can also be gamed (like on Reddit), when you can pay some people to bot-upvote your post. Applied to comments, it's even worse. "Echochambers" on places like Reddit aren't formed just from mod bans, but because they attract users who upvote content that appeals to their biases and downvote the rest. That's how they control the discourse. This is in my view one thing 2channel-style boards get right. Not everything has to be about "quality content", and it does a bit of a disservice to users to say that they have such little control that they can't tell good content from bad. Humans aren't animals, we don't just take what we're given. Sites like Reddit, HN and Twitter destroy that agency within us, and it's a shame. Here is an essay by Shii, one of the most well known historians of imageboard culture on the value of anonymity: http://wakaba.c3.cx/shii/ http://wakaba.c3.cx/shii/

RenRav 7y ago

You can do without voting. All you need is a way to discern what is popular, in order to display 'popular' and 'new' categories. For example by measuring comments and clicks, maybe the amount of time users spend on the comment page relative to the amount of comments. Not a great idea since it can be gamed, but what can't nowadays. It would probably favor clickbait, violence, etc like every other system. The only escape from this on a user-submitted site, if there are no subcategories outright banning certain content, is what's already in place, just sorting everything by date.

aks579 7y ago
Exactly and that's being achieved by the number of comments on a particular post.
lathiat 7y ago
content is not valuable just because someone clicked it, you cant know its valuable until after having read it. otherwise its all about the headline, which is a bit of a reality of modern day news, but this would just make that situation worse. secondly just because you dont want to comment doesn't mean its not valuable. so basically this just seems like a plainly terrible idea.

sebst 7y ago

Maybe I'm biased, but in the last days there were plenty of Show HNs about social networks: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21252544 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21252544 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21241476 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21241476 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21224211 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21224211 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21312318 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21312318

ChristianBundy 7y ago
All centralized, too. :(
thosakwe 7y ago
It's interesting that they're all Reddit derivatives.

pippy 7y ago

You could also poll the client to see what threads they're reading. You could add this to an engagement score of some sort. On a page with a long list, you add this score to all the items on it they're reading

irascible 7y ago

How many moderators do you have, and what are the criterion for banning/blocking posts?

zadokshi 7y ago

The heading/title should say: “We reimplemented reddit, but took out the feature of reddit that made reddit a success” PS: the OP’s site is now super NSFW. I assume someone is tying to prove a point :)

smashthepants 7y ago
From the show HN rules linked at the very top of the page: In Comments Be respectful. Anyone sharing work is making a contribution, however modest. Ask questions out of curiosity. Don't cross-examine. Instead of "you're doing it wrong", suggest alternatives. When someone is learning, help them learn more. When something isn't good, you needn't pretend that it is. But don't be gratuitously negative.