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FTA: He proposes that in 12 years, when he is released, that he be allowed to clone his wife and provide her with the good childhood she missed. There is a fin

FTA: He proposes that in 12 years, when he is released, that he be allowed to clone his wife and provide her with the good childhood she missed. There is a fine line between genius and madness. Where is the remorse for his actions?

bane 16y ago
Where is the remorse for his actions? Weird? Yes. Uncomfortable? Yes. Not living on the same planet as the rest of us? Yes. But perhaps that's his way of showing remorse. Give her another chance at life, one that he took away.
- smhinsey 16y ago
  I'm not all that familiar with the guy or the case, but the way it reads to me is that he's implicitly saying there's no way she would've ended up with someone like him if she'd had a good childhood. As Vonnegut would say, he is a broken thinking machine, so it's difficult to ascribe motivation to any of his actions, but I do get that sense.
- coolgeek 16y ago
  "Give her another chance at life" The "her" you refer to no longer exists, and never will again (at least in this sector of the multiverse). What he would be giving "another chance at life" to would be a wholly distinct organism that happens to share the same DNA.
  - hugh3 16y ago
    And this wholly distinct organism would no doubt wind up having a totally screwed-up life. Just imagine... you're a perfectly normal young girl growing up in a middle-class household -- you probably told that these people raising you are your aunts and uncles. But then one day your family decides you're old enough to be told the truth -- you're a clone of their mother, who was murdered by their father. Your purpose in life is to be happy in order to make up for the long-dead woman who shares your DNA. No thanks, I'd much rather take the genetic lottery. And this is why I oppose human cloning -- I can't think of any circumstances in which growing up as a clone of someone else (probably someone much older) wouldn't suck.
    - thwarted 16y ago
      Ever see Anna to the Infinite Power? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_to_the_Infinite_Power http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_to_the_Infinite_Power Other than the specific circumstances of the mother being murdered by the father, that's kind of close to the plot of this movie. The movie also some pretty weird ideas about what cloning is.
- hugh3 16y ago
  That's not remorse, that's just a psychopath's idea of restitution. Thinking that you can (somehow) make up for murdering someone by cloning them does seem in my non-expert opinion to be the kind of empathy-free insane troll logic that only a psychopath could come up with.
jacquesm 16y ago
In this case I think the line isn't all that fine.
pjscott 16y ago
Please excuse the grammar pedantry, but you've got something odd going on with pronouns. He wants to provide a girl whose DNA comes from Nina with a happy childhood which Nina did not have. If I were a clone, I would be pretty miffed when people confuse me with my DNA donor, even if it's just a typo. :-)

bane 16y ago

Where is the remorse for his actions? Weird? Yes. Uncomfortable? Yes. Not living on the same planet as the rest of us? Yes. But perhaps that's his way of showing remorse. Give her another chance at life, one that he took away.

smhinsey 16y ago
I'm not all that familiar with the guy or the case, but the way it reads to me is that he's implicitly saying there's no way she would've ended up with someone like him if she'd had a good childhood. As Vonnegut would say, he is a broken thinking machine, so it's difficult to ascribe motivation to any of his actions, but I do get that sense.
coolgeek 16y ago
"Give her another chance at life" The "her" you refer to no longer exists, and never will again (at least in this sector of the multiverse). What he would be giving "another chance at life" to would be a wholly distinct organism that happens to share the same DNA.
- hugh3 16y ago
  And this wholly distinct organism would no doubt wind up having a totally screwed-up life. Just imagine... you're a perfectly normal young girl growing up in a middle-class household -- you probably told that these people raising you are your aunts and uncles. But then one day your family decides you're old enough to be told the truth -- you're a clone of their mother, who was murdered by their father. Your purpose in life is to be happy in order to make up for the long-dead woman who shares your DNA. No thanks, I'd much rather take the genetic lottery. And this is why I oppose human cloning -- I can't think of any circumstances in which growing up as a clone of someone else (probably someone much older) wouldn't suck.
  - thwarted 16y ago
    Ever see Anna to the Infinite Power? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_to_the_Infinite_Power http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_to_the_Infinite_Power Other than the specific circumstances of the mother being murdered by the father, that's kind of close to the plot of this movie. The movie also some pretty weird ideas about what cloning is.
hugh3 16y ago
That's not remorse, that's just a psychopath's idea of restitution. Thinking that you can (somehow) make up for murdering someone by cloning them does seem in my non-expert opinion to be the kind of empathy-free insane troll logic that only a psychopath could come up with.

jacquesm 16y ago

In this case I think the line isn't all that fine.

pjscott 16y ago

Please excuse the grammar pedantry, but you've got something odd going on with pronouns. He wants to provide a girl whose DNA comes from Nina with a happy childhood which Nina did not have. If I were a clone, I would be pretty miffed when people confuse me with my DNA donor, even if it's just a typo. :-)