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Climate change is nothing of the sort. There is plenty of healthy debate about what exactly the scale of the effects will be, what kind of timeframe these effec
by stouset 7y ago
Climate change is nothing of the sort. There is plenty of healthy debate about what exactly the scale of the effects will be, what kind of timeframe these effects will be felt over, and what the most effective ways to slow down, halt, and/or reverse our current course are. You are literally—in the original, literal sense—replying to an article wherein scientists are questioning whether some component will be as bad as predicted.
What there is no room for any more are: denial that global warming is happening, denial that it’s happening as a result of greenhouse gases, and denial that it’s happening primarily as a result of greenhouse gases being emitted by humans. There is no more room for these denials because the matter is settled. Without incredible new data that contradicts existing data or future models, or without a compelling theory that both explains current warming trends and explain new phenomena, any such argumentation is flatly unwelcome.
This is not unique to climate change. Similarly, nobody is going to debate you on your new theory regarding gravitation unless your approach agrees with Newton and Einstein while also solving existing unanswered questions.
- vixen99 7y agoNuance is needed. Being told by you (who?) that the matter ‘is settled’ is not a persuasive approach. If people like MIT professor emeritus Richard Lindzen, Freeman Dyson of the Institute of Advanced Studies at Princeton, and Stanford University professor emeritus Elliott D. Bloom and many more including other atmospheric physicists believe there are arguments to be had on a complex subject then I tend to think they have a point. The above joined 497 other distinguished scientists in signing the European Climate Declaration and are listed in a link here. https://clintel.nl/prominent-scientists-warn-un-secretary-general-guterres/ https://clintel.nl/prominent-scientists-warn-un-secretary-ge... In summary their position is: 1. There is no climate emergency: 2. Natural as well as anthropogenic factors cause warming: 3. Warming is far slower than predicted: 4. Climate policy relies on inadequate models: 5. CO2 is plant food, the basis of all life on Earth (< 150ppm plants do not survive): 6. Global warming has not increased natural disasters: 7. Policy must respect scientific and economic realities: 8. An honest climate science debate is warranted
- NeedMoreTea 7y agoYou could equally accurately say: Distinguished mining engineers, business leaders with links to Australian mining, retired geologists, two signatories from CATO and Richard Lindzen signed the Clintel petition. Clintel was founded by a Dutch engineer with time in the oil industry, and former professor of acoustics, geophysics and innovation management. As you mention, knowing "who" matters. https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change-science-deniers-boris-johnson-environment-leak-a9094631.html https://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change-sci...