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Careful, you’re misinterpreting the document. The two studies you’ve picked are listed as “neither evidence of an effect or a null finding”, they are not includ

by klmr 7y ago

Careful, you’re misinterpreting the document. The two studies you’ve picked are listed as “neither evidence of an effect or a null finding”, they are not included in the “more than 500 studies” finding harmful effects. Those studies are prefixed by “P” in the document and, although I haven’t counted, a rough estimate based on the number of pages makes it plausible that there are > 500. That said, given the scientific consensus from rigorous meta-analyses, I expect that these “positive” studies are mostly of low quality and/or limited sample size. And scepticism is generally warranted when advocates start listing large numbers of studies instead of referring to a few meta-studies. As it happens, the best available meta-studies come to the opposite conclusion (namely, that there’s probably no harm from mobile EMF), so this long list is essentially bogus.

abainbridge 7y ago
Good point. Thanks for the patient explanation. To partly redeem myself, I followed the links to the first two articles prefixed by "P". They were https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29725476 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29725476 and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29268055 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29268055 The first didn't have a conclusion and the results were just the measured RF power in an apartment. The conclusion of the second is, "A total of 900-MHz EMF applied in middle and late adolescence may cause changes in the morphology and biochemistry of the rat ovarium.", which makes no sense. "A total of 900-MHz EMF" is gibberish. The complete text is not freely available.
godelski 7y ago
The codes used are: >> Study Effect Codes: >> P This study reported effects from the exposure or radiation category (effects can be either positive or negative and may be primary or secondary outcomes) >> N This study reported no effects from the exposure or radiation category >> - This study offered important insights or findings but is neither evidence of an effect or a null finding I'll be honest, this ordering seems dubious to me. P (for positive?) can show either positive or negative effects. N (for negative) shows no effects. - (for neither?) shows neither evidence of an effect or a null finding. I would think that P needs to be subdivided better to show which papers show a positive or negative effect. Can someone do a count on the number of each category?

by klmr 7y ago

abainbridge 7y ago

Good point. Thanks for the patient explanation. To partly redeem myself, I followed the links to the first two articles prefixed by "P". They were https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29725476 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29725476 and https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29268055 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29268055 The first didn't have a conclusion and the results were just the measured RF power in an apartment. The conclusion of the second is, "A total of 900-MHz EMF applied in middle and late adolescence may cause changes in the morphology and biochemistry of the rat ovarium.", which makes no sense. "A total of 900-MHz EMF" is gibberish. The complete text is not freely available.

godelski 7y ago

The codes used are: >> Study Effect Codes: >> P This study reported effects from the exposure or radiation category (effects can be either positive or negative and may be primary or secondary outcomes) >> N This study reported no effects from the exposure or radiation category >> - This study offered important insights or findings but is neither evidence of an effect or a null finding I'll be honest, this ordering seems dubious to me. P (for positive?) can show either positive or negative effects. N (for negative) shows no effects. - (for neither?) shows neither evidence of an effect or a null finding. I would think that P needs to be subdivided better to show which papers show a positive or negative effect. Can someone do a count on the number of each category?