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Is there an org-mode editor besides Emacs that has a lower learning curve?

by bauerd 7y ago

kingkongjaffa 7y ago
what makes you think Emacs has a high learning curve?
- psv1 7y ago
  > what makes you think Emacs has a high learning curve? The fact that I need to constantly look up how to do stuff and the modifications that I want to make work as I want them to only some of the time. The fact that on more than one occasion, I've downloaded Emacs, started using it and gave up after less than an hour because of how unclear things are.
- dTal 7y ago
  You can't use Emacs as notepad.exe, and comparing it with vim shows how low you're setting the bar. Out of the box it doesn't even have standard ctl-zxcv shortcuts. The keybindings it does have are terrible and give RSI, and crucially because there's a whole ecosystem of addons that try not to collide, they can never be changed, which is why CUA mode isn't default. Some of us just don't want to 'invest' in tools that are profoundly flawed and will never be fixed, to the extent of causing physical injury.
  - throwaway87378 7y ago
    > The keybindings it does have are terrible and give RSI, and crucially because there's a whole ecosystem of addons that try not to collide, they can never be changed, which is why CUA mode isn't default. Everything you are claiming is wrong. I came to Emacs from the Apple HIG shortcut world (which btw, Apple copied from PARC), and I think the keyboard shortcuts Emacs comes with are better thought out and more ergonomic to use. That is why they are the default (Emacs users prefer them), instead of cua-mode, which comes with Emacs and is easily activated. Emacs key bindings are also far easier to change that in any other application, because Emacs keymaps are first-class objects with inheritance and are separate from commands. That is why Emacs can easily support not just completely different keyboard shortcuts, but completely different input methods such as modal editing.
- tlamponi 7y ago
  1. OP never mentioned VIM, so I do not see how it's relevant to compare EMACS to that - editor wars are long over ;) 2. OP asked for an alternative to EMACS for ORG-mode editing, as he obviously does not wants to use EMACS at the current time being. Just saying that it's all so easy and making peoples issue with a complex editor like EMACS seem irrelevant or non-existing won't help anybody. So, some alternatives to EMACS seem to be: * for VS Code: https://github.com/vscode-org-mode/vscode-org-mode https://github.com/vscode-org-mode/vscode-org-mode * for vim: https://github.com/jceb/vim-orgmode https://github.com/jceb/vim-orgmode * for atom: https://atom.io/packages/organized https://atom.io/packages/organized * sublime: https://github.com/danielmagnussons/orgmode https://github.com/danielmagnussons/orgmode Also, some more information about integration can be found at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Org-mode#Integration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Org-mode#Integration
- r-w 7y ago
  Why are you comparing Emacs to primarily modal editors? This discussion is not about those.
- xyproto 7y ago
  The default configuration of both ViM and Emacs are both pretty unerognomic. And both can be configured to work in pretty much the same way. Both have plugins.
arethuza 7y ago
I've been using the org-mode plugin for VS Code for 6 months or so and really like it.
mickael-kerjean 7y ago
Yes, my favorite is the one I built myself which look like this: https://demo.filestash.app/view/emacs.org?share=hn https://demo.filestash.app/view/emacs.org?share=hn It can create entire wikis by rendering documents in many formats: For example: - HTML: https://demo.filestash.app/api/export/hn/text/html/emacs.org https://demo.filestash.app/api/export/hn/text/html/emacs.org - PDF: https://demo.filestash.app/api/export/hn/application/pdf/emacs.org https://demo.filestash.app/api/export/hn/application/pdf/ema... - markdown: https://demo.filestash.app/api/export/hn/text/markdown/emacs.org https://demo.filestash.app/api/export/hn/text/markdown/emacs... - txt: https://demo.filestash.app/api/export/hn/text/plain/emacs.org https://demo.filestash.app/api/export/hn/text/plain/emacs.or... ... Also, the document shown here is coming from this github repo: https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/nuage_org_demo https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/nuage_org_demo and the app itself is free software: https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/filestash https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/filestash
- lorenzhs 7y ago
  This looks really nice and quite useful, you should do a Show HN! (By the way, that first link doesn't work)
- bloopernova 7y ago
  oh, WOW this looks great. Serious, enthusiastic-yet-polite applause!
dim-an 7y ago
I've been using my own orgmode plugin for SublimeText [1] for a several years. It doesn't have all the features emacs has, but I'm quite happy with it for personal notes and simple TODOs. There is another plugin for SublimeText [2] but apparently I like it less :) [1] https://github.com/dim-an/Zorgmode https://github.com/dim-an/Zorgmode [2] https://github.com/danielmagnussons/orgmode https://github.com/danielmagnussons/orgmode
bloopernova 7y ago
Yes, there's Spacemacs which is a Vim-a-like configuration for Emacs which works well as an org-mode editor too. It uses composable commands, like "space f s" for save all files. I've found it works very well across my work Mac, home PC, remote workspace, and Windows 10 WSL v1 and v2. If you'd like to know more, either reply here or get in touch via my profile, I'd love to help you out (although it may be a bit delayed because I'm suffering from back issues right now). There's also reddit.com/r/emacs which helps a lot with org-mode stuff, much more than the org-mode subreddit. Plus you get to learn a bit of Lisp, which is pretty cool ;)

Is there an org-mode editor besides Emacs that has a lower learning curve?

by bauerd 7y ago

Is there an org-mode editor besides Emacs that has a lower learning curve?

kingkongjaffa 7y ago

what makes you think Emacs has a high learning curve?

psv1 7y ago
> what makes you think Emacs has a high learning curve? The fact that I need to constantly look up how to do stuff and the modifications that I want to make work as I want them to only some of the time. The fact that on more than one occasion, I've downloaded Emacs, started using it and gave up after less than an hour because of how unclear things are.
dTal 7y ago
You can't use Emacs as notepad.exe, and comparing it with vim shows how low you're setting the bar. Out of the box it doesn't even have standard ctl-zxcv shortcuts. The keybindings it does have are terrible and give RSI, and crucially because there's a whole ecosystem of addons that try not to collide, they can never be changed, which is why CUA mode isn't default. Some of us just don't want to 'invest' in tools that are profoundly flawed and will never be fixed, to the extent of causing physical injury.
- throwaway87378 7y ago
  > The keybindings it does have are terrible and give RSI, and crucially because there's a whole ecosystem of addons that try not to collide, they can never be changed, which is why CUA mode isn't default. Everything you are claiming is wrong. I came to Emacs from the Apple HIG shortcut world (which btw, Apple copied from PARC), and I think the keyboard shortcuts Emacs comes with are better thought out and more ergonomic to use. That is why they are the default (Emacs users prefer them), instead of cua-mode, which comes with Emacs and is easily activated. Emacs key bindings are also far easier to change that in any other application, because Emacs keymaps are first-class objects with inheritance and are separate from commands. That is why Emacs can easily support not just completely different keyboard shortcuts, but completely different input methods such as modal editing.
tlamponi 7y ago
1. OP never mentioned VIM, so I do not see how it's relevant to compare EMACS to that - editor wars are long over ;) 2. OP asked for an alternative to EMACS for ORG-mode editing, as he obviously does not wants to use EMACS at the current time being. Just saying that it's all so easy and making peoples issue with a complex editor like EMACS seem irrelevant or non-existing won't help anybody. So, some alternatives to EMACS seem to be: * for VS Code: https://github.com/vscode-org-mode/vscode-org-mode https://github.com/vscode-org-mode/vscode-org-mode * for vim: https://github.com/jceb/vim-orgmode https://github.com/jceb/vim-orgmode * for atom: https://atom.io/packages/organized https://atom.io/packages/organized * sublime: https://github.com/danielmagnussons/orgmode https://github.com/danielmagnussons/orgmode Also, some more information about integration can be found at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Org-mode#Integration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Org-mode#Integration
r-w 7y ago
Why are you comparing Emacs to primarily modal editors? This discussion is not about those.
xyproto 7y ago
The default configuration of both ViM and Emacs are both pretty unerognomic. And both can be configured to work in pretty much the same way. Both have plugins.

arethuza 7y ago

I've been using the org-mode plugin for VS Code for 6 months or so and really like it.

mickael-kerjean 7y ago

Yes, my favorite is the one I built myself which look like this: https://demo.filestash.app/view/emacs.org?share=hn https://demo.filestash.app/view/emacs.org?share=hn It can create entire wikis by rendering documents in many formats: For example: - HTML: https://demo.filestash.app/api/export/hn/text/html/emacs.org https://demo.filestash.app/api/export/hn/text/html/emacs.org - PDF: https://demo.filestash.app/api/export/hn/application/pdf/emacs.org https://demo.filestash.app/api/export/hn/application/pdf/ema... - markdown: https://demo.filestash.app/api/export/hn/text/markdown/emacs.org https://demo.filestash.app/api/export/hn/text/markdown/emacs... - txt: https://demo.filestash.app/api/export/hn/text/plain/emacs.org https://demo.filestash.app/api/export/hn/text/plain/emacs.or... ... Also, the document shown here is coming from this github repo: https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/nuage_org_demo https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/nuage_org_demo and the app itself is free software: https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/filestash https://github.com/mickael-kerjean/filestash

lorenzhs 7y ago
This looks really nice and quite useful, you should do a Show HN! (By the way, that first link doesn't work)
bloopernova 7y ago
oh, WOW this looks great. Serious, enthusiastic-yet-polite applause!

dim-an 7y ago

I've been using my own orgmode plugin for SublimeText [1] for a several years. It doesn't have all the features emacs has, but I'm quite happy with it for personal notes and simple TODOs. There is another plugin for SublimeText [2] but apparently I like it less :) [1] https://github.com/dim-an/Zorgmode https://github.com/dim-an/Zorgmode [2] https://github.com/danielmagnussons/orgmode https://github.com/danielmagnussons/orgmode

bloopernova 7y ago

Yes, there's Spacemacs which is a Vim-a-like configuration for Emacs which works well as an org-mode editor too. It uses composable commands, like "space f s" for save all files. I've found it works very well across my work Mac, home PC, remote workspace, and Windows 10 WSL v1 and v2. If you'd like to know more, either reply here or get in touch via my profile, I'd love to help you out (although it may be a bit delayed because I'm suffering from back issues right now). There's also reddit.com/r/emacs which helps a lot with org-mode stuff, much more than the org-mode subreddit. Plus you get to learn a bit of Lisp, which is pretty cool ;)