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> Men and women still don't work well together Citations needed. I've never had any issues working with women, nor have I heard any coworkers or friends expres

> Men and women still don't work well together Citations needed. I've never had any issues working with women, nor have I heard any coworkers or friends express this belief, or raise issues about working with members of the opposite gender. I don't think people aren't talking about this because it's "politically incorrect", but rather because most people (at least in Canada) simply don't have any issues working with members of the opposite gender. Being unable to view female coworkers as you do any other coworker is misogynistic, whether it's intentional or not.

throwaway45261 7y ago
> have I heard any coworkers or friends express this belief. You don't seem to value diversity of opinion that high, and expressing such opinions can be disastrous for one's career. > Being unable to view female coworkers as you do any other coworker is misogynistic. Sure, now what? There exists misogynistic people in the world, a lot of them in the workforce. That would imply that comment saying "men and women still don't work together" is at least worth consideration. You can't solve social issues by assigning a label.
- joshuamorton 7y ago
  Not at all, it would imply, perhaps, that mysogynistic people don't work well with others. And that certainly isn't a surprising conclusion.
hombre_fatal 7y ago
The fact that there are so many issues in the workplace in the news / personal accounts and the fact that men and women have only been working together for a relatively short time clearly indicate to me that the jury is still out on whether men and women can truly work together and that it's best that way.
wolfgke 7y ago
> Being unable to view female coworkers as you do any other coworker is misogynistic, whether it's intentional or not. Indeed: gender quotas and "positive" discrimination is both misogynistic.
CapricornNoble 7y ago
>>>Citations needed Women in the infantry -- The Effect on the Moral Domain.[1] Covers a lot of ground, with pro/con data points across multiple nations and several decades. [2] Is about the Navy's struggle with the costs and effectiveness impacts of pregnancies. Can gender-integrated work forces produce (whatever the metric is for "productivity" in a particular domain). Yes. Will management/leadership responsibilities be inherently more complicated? Yes. Does gender diversity inherently guarantee an objectively superior output? No. I think that it is domain/problem-set specific. Human intelligence (HUMINT)[3] and civ-mil ops[4] absolutely benefit from female integration in order to fully access 50% of the population. Especially important in a counter-insurgency context. [1]https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a262478.pdf https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a262478.pdf [2]https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/12/pregnant-navy-sailors-reassigned-to-shore-duty/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/12/pregnant-na... [3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_intelligence_(intelligence_gathering) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_intelligence_(intelligen... [4]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil-military_operations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil-military_operations
- SolaceQuantum 7y ago
  Do you have citations outside of the military context? I don't mean to be nitpicky, but what makes the military efficient and what makes civilian life efficient tend to be at extreme odds quite often.
  - CapricornNoble 7y ago
    I don't, sorry. I'd be interested in such results as well, mostly because I'm curious about what sort of metrics the studies would be using for productivity.

throwaway45261 7y ago

> have I heard any coworkers or friends express this belief. You don't seem to value diversity of opinion that high, and expressing such opinions can be disastrous for one's career. > Being unable to view female coworkers as you do any other coworker is misogynistic. Sure, now what? There exists misogynistic people in the world, a lot of them in the workforce. That would imply that comment saying "men and women still don't work together" is at least worth consideration. You can't solve social issues by assigning a label.

joshuamorton 7y ago
Not at all, it would imply, perhaps, that mysogynistic people don't work well with others. And that certainly isn't a surprising conclusion.

hombre_fatal 7y ago

The fact that there are so many issues in the workplace in the news / personal accounts and the fact that men and women have only been working together for a relatively short time clearly indicate to me that the jury is still out on whether men and women can truly work together and that it's best that way.

wolfgke 7y ago

> Being unable to view female coworkers as you do any other coworker is misogynistic, whether it's intentional or not. Indeed: gender quotas and "positive" discrimination is both misogynistic.

CapricornNoble 7y ago

>>>Citations needed Women in the infantry -- The Effect on the Moral Domain.[1] Covers a lot of ground, with pro/con data points across multiple nations and several decades. [2] Is about the Navy's struggle with the costs and effectiveness impacts of pregnancies. Can gender-integrated work forces produce (whatever the metric is for "productivity" in a particular domain). Yes. Will management/leadership responsibilities be inherently more complicated? Yes. Does gender diversity inherently guarantee an objectively superior output? No. I think that it is domain/problem-set specific. Human intelligence (HUMINT)[3] and civ-mil ops[4] absolutely benefit from female integration in order to fully access 50% of the population. Especially important in a counter-insurgency context. [1]https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a262478.pdf https://apps.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a262478.pdf [2]https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/12/pregnant-navy-sailors-reassigned-to-shore-duty/ https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/12/pregnant-na... [3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_intelligence_(intelligence_gathering) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_intelligence_(intelligen... [4]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil-military_operations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil-military_operations

SolaceQuantum 7y ago
Do you have citations outside of the military context? I don't mean to be nitpicky, but what makes the military efficient and what makes civilian life efficient tend to be at extreme odds quite often.
- CapricornNoble 7y ago
  I don't, sorry. I'd be interested in such results as well, mostly because I'm curious about what sort of metrics the studies would be using for productivity.