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Practicing with no repercussions(100) is the best way to level up. If you’ve written down 100 ideas that add value to someone else you’ll start getting better a

Practicing with no repercussions(100) is the best way to level up. If you’ve written down 100 ideas that add value to someone else you’ll start getting better at finding ways to add value. I’m sure practicing chess moves intentionally with no repercussions makes you a great chess player pretty quickly.

jacobolus 7y ago
> Practicing with no repercussions(100) is the best way to level up. Is this claim based on formal research? Analysis of famous biographies? Long-term personal experience? (Care to share?) Or just a hunch? What exactly do you mean by “no repercussions”? What does it mean to play chess without repercussions (it’s a game where you either win or lose...)? In my experience the best way to improve at things is to throw tons of semi-structured data relating context and actions to tight feedback at your brain (personal pattern-matching neural net), and then wait a while for it to subconsciously integrate it. To improve faster, figure out how to make the data more varied and relevant, by e.g. continually pushing the limits of what you can currently manage.
- jstanley 7y ago
  > What does it mean to play chess without repercussions Play 100 games where you don't care about the result, where nobody else in the world will even know the result, and where you can freely try out ideas without any downside? You can do it right now, and you can play anonymously without signing up: https://lichess.org/ https://lichess.org/
- MetalGuru 7y ago
  > throw tons of semi-structured data relating context and actions to tight feedback at your brain (personal pattern-matching neural net) What does this even mean? Relating context and actions to tight feedback? Can you break it down in a more simple, understandable way.
  - jacobolus 7y ago
    Well, it depends on what you are trying to learn. But to take something I have recent experience with: to get a 5-month-old baby to learn to balance his torso using his core muscles, spend time holding him by the thighs and let him flop around (it doesn’t help to support the baby at the top, since that is a passively stable configuration). After a couple weeks he’ll be somewhat able to stabilize himself and compensate for small perturbations, so start tilting him in various directions so that he’ll have to learn to compensate for being more aggressively off-balance. After a month of occasional practice (a few minutes at a time every once in a while) the now-6-month-old baby will be stable enough to sit up on Dad’s shoulders without falling off, if held by the legs. Then just walking around with the baby on your shoulders will be great balance practice, and requires no special effort at all (but occasionally rocking a bit will help him to keep improving his strength and balance). By 8 months old the baby will be very good at balancing sitting on shoulders. [I mostly care about this because carrying a baby on my shoulders is much less tiring than carrying the baby in my arms; whatever benefit the baby gets out of it is somewhat incidental.] This kind of process works pretty well for learning to cook a recipe, solder electronics, play an instrument, touch type, or the like. If you want to learn to solve math problems or write poetry (i.e. something that is largely non-physical) then the context, actions, and feedback are rather different. But still, you want to get your brain as much data coming in as possible, strengthening connections between ideas and concepts, experimenting and doing more of what works, ... One of the big problems with formal schooling for many students is that feedback comes much too slow to be usefully integrated. The expert advice from teachers (results of graded papers) is not interactive, but is low-bandwidth and very delayed. Regularly sitting down 1:1 with an expert is a much faster way to improve.
TeMPOraL 7y ago
> I’m sure practicing chess moves intentionally with no repercussions makes you a great chess player pretty quickly. I have a related idea I call "10-100-10k", based on my loose interpretation of the "10 000 hours" meme. It goes like this: 10 hours is a lot of time. It's 20 pomodoros. At the same time, it's very little time, something you can easily fit in your schedule over a week or two. So if there's a skill you find yourself wishing you'd have, no matter how trivial, allocate 10 hours for deliberate practice of the basics. There's a good chance you'll quickly progress and reach a qualitatively higher level of performance in just those 10 hours. And at that point, you can decide whether the skill is worth developing further (leading to the "100" part, being "100 hours"), or whether what you have is good enough for you.
- schaefer 7y ago
  For anyone that hasn't heard, the "10 thousand hour" catch phrase was created be Malcom Gladwell in his book [Outliers], when Malcom misunderstood the research results of Anders Ericsson. Ericsson has gone so far as to dedicate an entire six-page section in his 2017 book [Peak] to a discussion of [Outliers]'s popularization of the catch phrase "the ten thousand hour rule". In the section he lists three reasons why this phrase is misleading, and one way in which it is accurate. The central theme of [Peak] is to review what things all experts have in common, irrespective of their varied fields: these being a habit of deliberate, purposeful practice and mental maps. [Peak] Peak: Secrets from the new science of Expertise by Anders Ericsson and Robert Pool [Outliers] Outliers by Malcom Gladwell

jacobolus 7y ago

> Practicing with no repercussions(100) is the best way to level up. Is this claim based on formal research? Analysis of famous biographies? Long-term personal experience? (Care to share?) Or just a hunch? What exactly do you mean by “no repercussions”? What does it mean to play chess without repercussions (it’s a game where you either win or lose...)? In my experience the best way to improve at things is to throw tons of semi-structured data relating context and actions to tight feedback at your brain (personal pattern-matching neural net), and then wait a while for it to subconsciously integrate it. To improve faster, figure out how to make the data more varied and relevant, by e.g. continually pushing the limits of what you can currently manage.

jstanley 7y ago
> What does it mean to play chess without repercussions Play 100 games where you don't care about the result, where nobody else in the world will even know the result, and where you can freely try out ideas without any downside? You can do it right now, and you can play anonymously without signing up: https://lichess.org/ https://lichess.org/
MetalGuru 7y ago
> throw tons of semi-structured data relating context and actions to tight feedback at your brain (personal pattern-matching neural net) What does this even mean? Relating context and actions to tight feedback? Can you break it down in a more simple, understandable way.
- jacobolus 7y ago
  Well, it depends on what you are trying to learn. But to take something I have recent experience with: to get a 5-month-old baby to learn to balance his torso using his core muscles, spend time holding him by the thighs and let him flop around (it doesn’t help to support the baby at the top, since that is a passively stable configuration). After a couple weeks he’ll be somewhat able to stabilize himself and compensate for small perturbations, so start tilting him in various directions so that he’ll have to learn to compensate for being more aggressively off-balance. After a month of occasional practice (a few minutes at a time every once in a while) the now-6-month-old baby will be stable enough to sit up on Dad’s shoulders without falling off, if held by the legs. Then just walking around with the baby on your shoulders will be great balance practice, and requires no special effort at all (but occasionally rocking a bit will help him to keep improving his strength and balance). By 8 months old the baby will be very good at balancing sitting on shoulders. [I mostly care about this because carrying a baby on my shoulders is much less tiring than carrying the baby in my arms; whatever benefit the baby gets out of it is somewhat incidental.] This kind of process works pretty well for learning to cook a recipe, solder electronics, play an instrument, touch type, or the like. If you want to learn to solve math problems or write poetry (i.e. something that is largely non-physical) then the context, actions, and feedback are rather different. But still, you want to get your brain as much data coming in as possible, strengthening connections between ideas and concepts, experimenting and doing more of what works, ... One of the big problems with formal schooling for many students is that feedback comes much too slow to be usefully integrated. The expert advice from teachers (results of graded papers) is not interactive, but is low-bandwidth and very delayed. Regularly sitting down 1:1 with an expert is a much faster way to improve.

TeMPOraL 7y ago

> I’m sure practicing chess moves intentionally with no repercussions makes you a great chess player pretty quickly. I have a related idea I call "10-100-10k", based on my loose interpretation of the "10 000 hours" meme. It goes like this: 10 hours is a lot of time. It's 20 pomodoros. At the same time, it's very little time, something you can easily fit in your schedule over a week or two. So if there's a skill you find yourself wishing you'd have, no matter how trivial, allocate 10 hours for deliberate practice of the basics. There's a good chance you'll quickly progress and reach a qualitatively higher level of performance in just those 10 hours. And at that point, you can decide whether the skill is worth developing further (leading to the "100" part, being "100 hours"), or whether what you have is good enough for you.

schaefer 7y ago
For anyone that hasn't heard, the "10 thousand hour" catch phrase was created be Malcom Gladwell in his book [Outliers], when Malcom misunderstood the research results of Anders Ericsson. Ericsson has gone so far as to dedicate an entire six-page section in his 2017 book [Peak] to a discussion of [Outliers]'s popularization of the catch phrase "the ten thousand hour rule". In the section he lists three reasons why this phrase is misleading, and one way in which it is accurate. The central theme of [Peak] is to review what things all experts have in common, irrespective of their varied fields: these being a habit of deliberate, purposeful practice and mental maps. [Peak] Peak: Secrets from the new science of Expertise by Anders Ericsson and Robert Pool [Outliers] Outliers by Malcom Gladwell