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Why would you pick Go or C++ over Java? C++ is a hydra of complexity, sure it has it's place, but it's not nearly as productive as Java for your typical web ap

Why would you pick Go or C++ over Java? C++ is a hydra of complexity, sure it has it's place, but it's not nearly as productive as Java for your typical web application. Go is almost the opposite, so simple it lacks features like generics. The last time I used Go it had fundamental usability issues around dependency management(although I think recent versions have improved on vendoring a little).

adev_ 7y ago
> C++ is a hydra of complexity, sure it has it's place, but it's not nearly as productive as Java for your typical web application. Modern C++ well is as productive ( probably even more productive ) as Java. The main issue with C++ is recruitment, C++ engineers are rare because C++ is barely teached.
- rswail 7y ago
  C++ is barely taught in ProgrammerGenerationFactories because "modern" C++ still allows "old" C++ and makes it difficult to stop developers from doing that. Just like MISRA tries to constrain C programmers from doing dumb things in the embedded world, "modern" C++ tries to the same in the business world. But there isn't an easy way to enforce it, especially when you're outsourcing to some code sweatshop.
  - adev_ 7y ago
    > But there isn't an easy way to enforce it Every mature enough language has a subset that you need to avoid. Including Java. This is precisely due to this kind of things that every company need to have coding guidelines and proper static analysis tools. > especially when you're outsourcing to some code sweatshop. If you outsource your dev to cheap, other side of the world, low quality engineers. Then you deserve your problem, in any language. I worked in the past for a company (embedded programming) that had an entire team of expensive engineers in Luxembourg just to fix the stupidities of an other team of outsourced engineers in India.
- pjmlp 7y ago
  Any good university has C++ related classes. The problem with modern C++ is having many devs to actually make use of it. Many devs don't care to follow up on modern language X best practices, rather just typing away something that works.
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adev_ 7y ago

> C++ is a hydra of complexity, sure it has it's place, but it's not nearly as productive as Java for your typical web application. Modern C++ well is as productive ( probably even more productive ) as Java. The main issue with C++ is recruitment, C++ engineers are rare because C++ is barely teached.

rswail 7y ago
C++ is barely taught in ProgrammerGenerationFactories because "modern" C++ still allows "old" C++ and makes it difficult to stop developers from doing that. Just like MISRA tries to constrain C programmers from doing dumb things in the embedded world, "modern" C++ tries to the same in the business world. But there isn't an easy way to enforce it, especially when you're outsourcing to some code sweatshop.
- adev_ 7y ago
  > But there isn't an easy way to enforce it Every mature enough language has a subset that you need to avoid. Including Java. This is precisely due to this kind of things that every company need to have coding guidelines and proper static analysis tools. > especially when you're outsourcing to some code sweatshop. If you outsource your dev to cheap, other side of the world, low quality engineers. Then you deserve your problem, in any language. I worked in the past for a company (embedded programming) that had an entire team of expensive engineers in Luxembourg just to fix the stupidities of an other team of outsourced engineers in India.
pjmlp 7y ago
Any good university has C++ related classes. The problem with modern C++ is having many devs to actually make use of it. Many devs don't care to follow up on modern language X best practices, rather just typing away something that works.
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