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> They might just have different moral values. This is why "values" is a terrible word to use to describe morals. Values are subjective things like modesty or
by ben509 7y ago
> They might just have different moral values.
This is why "values" is a terrible word to use to describe morals.
Values are subjective things like modesty or frugality. Those are values, because how you dress or spend your money generally have consequences only to yourself.
Something becomes immoral when it deprives another person of their inalienable rights; it causes them harm. Others' rights aren't subject to negotiation, that's what "inalienable" means.
That one can often get away with bullying or lying might make it seem like it's just a personal choice. That is, until people get fed up with it and hold that person to account for their actions.
- matz1 7y agoSame thing with morality, its subjective. There are no such thing as inalienable rights. Every right has to be earned and fight for.
- cgriswald 7y agoOne of the ways you earn and fight for those rights is by not claiming they don’t exist. There are already enough people in the world who think you don’t deserve those rights. Best to keep the goal posts far away and convince as many others as you can that that’s where they belong.
- matz1 7y agoYes, any rights exist because someone earn it or fight for it. Its not just given from god or something.
- ben509 7y agoAnd yet tribes and nations that recognize and protect inalienable rights are consistently able to defeat those that assume the strong should have power over the weak. The reason being that individuals living in societies with inalienable rights feel they have more worth fighting for, and they are more industrious and able to build robust trust networks. None of that is subjective, it's all how the universe works, so, yes, you could plausibly attribute it to God or any kind of creator.
- matz1 7y agoThe strong does always have power over the weak. The right that exist right now is because someone powerful enough to fight for it and maintain it, otherwise those right doesn't exist. Rights are subjective, meaning it depends on the particular society, even it may have different meaning to everyone. Example: The rights for woman in Afghanistan and USA are different.
- ben509 7y agoBut people will reliably fight for it, that's an objective fact.
- matz1 7y agoAgree, some people will fight for it, some people will fight againts it.