Exactly right. Java has lots to improve on but there seems to be unsubstantiated hate towards Java on HN which I find contrary to what happens in the real world

Exactly right. Java has lots to improve on but there seems to be unsubstantiated hate towards Java on HN which I find contrary to what happens in the real world. In the real world companies find hiring Java programmers relatively easy (maybe not the best and brightest) who can get a project off the ground easily