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We're talking about just the frontend here. I can definitely redo it with substantially less code and no frameworks, including automatic transpiling for differe

We're talking about just the frontend here. I can definitely redo it with substantially less code and no frameworks, including automatic transpiling for different browsers. No need for React + jQuery with megabytes of JS, but if you must have a framework then use Preact or Svelte. Ads are different but I work in adtech and site speed matters. Faster sites make more money. Remember this is on a mobile page. People don't wait more than 3 seconds for a site to load. You're not getting any ad impressions from visitors who never show up or leave.

mattigames 7y ago
Doesn't matter if you can redo with a couple of jQuery lines, their site has more traffic than any other image hosting the world and they need some code that if tomorrow all the engineers leave it still can be maintained, and React plus jQuery is a extremely smart decision for that goal.
- manigandham 7y ago
  Maintainability is a product of good engineering practices and documentation. No framework magically solves for that.
  - mattigames 7y ago
    >good engineering practices a One of the "good engineering practices" is to use a baseline code widely know and that's what full frameworks like React and Angular buys you, of course you still can create a mess with any of those 2 but is way harder to do that than to do it with in-house custom framework, nothing makes an JS developer run faster from a job position than being told they are using some custom framework that has been growing organically for years, regardless of how good your documentation is.
    - manigandham 7y ago
      > "of course you still can create a mess " That's exactly what happened here, and what this entire post is discussing. The frameworks aren't the problem, aren't really necessary, and there are faster alternatives if they must be used (like Preact and Svelte).
      - mattigames 7y ago
        No is not what happened here, what happened here is that engineers voices get amplified from their anger because they value megabytes because they are more aware of their existence than the average joe; for average people nothing of this matters as the assets are being cached, it doesn't matter even for the developers of the site because is doing pretty well being one of the most visited sites in the world.
        manigandham 7y ago
        Again, this page for a mobile site took more than 40 seconds to load a single image. The average user is not waiting, they've already left. You seem to be missing that detail. Performance matters and has been proven by metrics and research from every major internet company. Site popularity has nothing to do with UX. Imgur is popular because of reddit, and there's plenty of users who dislike Reddit's slow and heavy redesign too.

mattigames 7y ago

Doesn't matter if you can redo with a couple of jQuery lines, their site has more traffic than any other image hosting the world and they need some code that if tomorrow all the engineers leave it still can be maintained, and React plus jQuery is a extremely smart decision for that goal.

manigandham 7y ago
Maintainability is a product of good engineering practices and documentation. No framework magically solves for that.
- mattigames 7y ago
  >good engineering practices a One of the "good engineering practices" is to use a baseline code widely know and that's what full frameworks like React and Angular buys you, of course you still can create a mess with any of those 2 but is way harder to do that than to do it with in-house custom framework, nothing makes an JS developer run faster from a job position than being told they are using some custom framework that has been growing organically for years, regardless of how good your documentation is.
  - manigandham 7y ago
    > "of course you still can create a mess " That's exactly what happened here, and what this entire post is discussing. The frameworks aren't the problem, aren't really necessary, and there are faster alternatives if they must be used (like Preact and Svelte).
    - mattigames 7y ago
      No is not what happened here, what happened here is that engineers voices get amplified from their anger because they value megabytes because they are more aware of their existence than the average joe; for average people nothing of this matters as the assets are being cached, it doesn't matter even for the developers of the site because is doing pretty well being one of the most visited sites in the world.
      - manigandham 7y ago
        Again, this page for a mobile site took more than 40 seconds to load a single image. The average user is not waiting, they've already left. You seem to be missing that detail. Performance matters and has been proven by metrics and research from every major internet company. Site popularity has nothing to do with UX. Imgur is popular because of reddit, and there's plenty of users who dislike Reddit's slow and heavy redesign too.