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When making up one one's mind about whether Zuck is sincere in his passionate pleas for free speech, consider that: 1) he took no questions from reporters, onl

When making up one one's mind about whether Zuck is sincere in his passionate pleas for free speech, consider that: 1) he took no questions from reporters, only pre-moderated questions from students, and 2) Facebook Live chat was scrubbed of any critical comments by algorithmic filters. https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-algorithms-negative-responses-free-speech-live-street-a9161256.html https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/ma...

em3rgent0rdr 7y ago
Freedom of speech and freedom of association do not imply any obligation to listen to or respond to everything, and permit you to privately filter.
- PavlovsCat 7y ago
  A credible commitment to freedom of speech absolutely entails acknowledging and responding to serious criticism.
Porthos9K 7y ago
I'm pretty sure Zuckerberg still thinks of Facebook users as "dumb fucks". I can't blame him; my opinion of people who use Facebook tech (FB, Instagram, whatsapp, and React) is equally contemptuous.
- EForEndeavour 7y ago
  Supercilious tone of this post aside (it's straight out of /r/iamverysmart), isn't it pretty contemptuous to lump in Facebook's social media and chat offerings with MIT-licensed React?
  - Porthos9K 7y ago
    Yes, and I think I am justified in doing so. React and JSX are everything shitty about pre-CSS web development, but with more JavaScript. Even if it wasn't Facebook tech I would still refuse to work with that shit. Oh, and if you want supercilious, duck into the little nerd's room and get a good look at your tone-policing ass in a mirror.
    - EForEndeavour 7y ago
      Thanks for your reply. Your first comment implied that you looked down on users of all Facebook products, whether Facebook itself or WhatsApp or React. I find this attitude silly, since a proprietary social-media platform, messaging app, and MIT-licensed web UI library are very different beasts. But now it seems you aren't even categorically against Facebook, just against people who use social media but also React for unrelated reasons...? That makes no sense. Ironically, I can't even see your original post anymore because it's since been flagged. If that happened by the time you wrote your reply, I guess I understand your sensitivity against tone-policing.
gnaritas 7y ago
> about whether Zuck is sincere No need, Zuck isn't sincere about anything except making more money.

em3rgent0rdr 7y ago

Freedom of speech and freedom of association do not imply any obligation to listen to or respond to everything, and permit you to privately filter.

PavlovsCat 7y ago
A credible commitment to freedom of speech absolutely entails acknowledging and responding to serious criticism.

Porthos9K 7y ago

I'm pretty sure Zuckerberg still thinks of Facebook users as "dumb fucks". I can't blame him; my opinion of people who use Facebook tech (FB, Instagram, whatsapp, and React) is equally contemptuous.

EForEndeavour 7y ago
Supercilious tone of this post aside (it's straight out of /r/iamverysmart), isn't it pretty contemptuous to lump in Facebook's social media and chat offerings with MIT-licensed React?
- Porthos9K 7y ago
  Yes, and I think I am justified in doing so. React and JSX are everything shitty about pre-CSS web development, but with more JavaScript. Even if it wasn't Facebook tech I would still refuse to work with that shit. Oh, and if you want supercilious, duck into the little nerd's room and get a good look at your tone-policing ass in a mirror.
  - EForEndeavour 7y ago
    Thanks for your reply. Your first comment implied that you looked down on users of all Facebook products, whether Facebook itself or WhatsApp or React. I find this attitude silly, since a proprietary social-media platform, messaging app, and MIT-licensed web UI library are very different beasts. But now it seems you aren't even categorically against Facebook, just against people who use social media but also React for unrelated reasons...? That makes no sense. Ironically, I can't even see your original post anymore because it's since been flagged. If that happened by the time you wrote your reply, I guess I understand your sensitivity against tone-policing.

gnaritas 7y ago

> about whether Zuck is sincere No need, Zuck isn't sincere about anything except making more money.