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Anyone does have the right to vote for it, that's how it works. People can decide it's best if everyone shares the burden of unexpected tragedy, just like peopl

Anyone does have the right to vote for it, that's how it works. People can decide it's best if everyone shares the burden of unexpected tragedy, just like people decided it's best if everyone pays for street lights, roads, police, firemen, rubbish collection and armies.

big_chungus 7y ago
Not exactly. What people _can't_ decide is to take extra from me. Everyone uses roughly the same number of dollars of street lights, roads, policemen, firemen, etc.; there should be no difference in how much I pay compared to anyone else. Socialized medicine is a hand-out, pure and simple. No one can coerce me to pay the government so he can bribe his constituency.
sausman 7y ago
"that's how it works" - compelling argument. I never thought about it like that ;). I wouldn't say I'm against socialized "x"; I'm against government socialized "x". You, I, and charities don't have the right to forcefully take from others (no matter how noble our stated intentions); so where does the government get this right? Aren't we all equal? Where does the government get rights that you, I, and charities don't have? Is charities not having the right to forcefully extract donations hurting their cause? I don't think so. Voluntary donations force charities to demonstrate they will wisely use the funds. Resources aren't infinite, and if we want to care for the most people in the best way possible we have to use resources efficiently. Charities attract funds by succeeding in their mission, whereas governments attract funds by failing in their mission. If government socialized medicine requires a majority, couldn't we just implement it voluntarily and avoid all of the negative ramifications that come with entrusting a small group of politicians with an enormous amount of power that is routinely abused to benefit themselves and large corporations? I also wonder: Does anyone arguing for government socialized "x" actually believe in it? How much money do people give to the government beyond what is forcefully taken from them? Just a guess, but I think that number is very close to 0. On the contrary, how much money do people voluntarily give to charities? About $410,000,000,000 last year.

big_chungus 7y ago

Not exactly. What people _can't_ decide is to take extra from me. Everyone uses roughly the same number of dollars of street lights, roads, policemen, firemen, etc.; there should be no difference in how much I pay compared to anyone else. Socialized medicine is a hand-out, pure and simple. No one can coerce me to pay the government so he can bribe his constituency.

sausman 7y ago

"that's how it works" - compelling argument. I never thought about it like that ;). I wouldn't say I'm against socialized "x"; I'm against government socialized "x". You, I, and charities don't have the right to forcefully take from others (no matter how noble our stated intentions); so where does the government get this right? Aren't we all equal? Where does the government get rights that you, I, and charities don't have? Is charities not having the right to forcefully extract donations hurting their cause? I don't think so. Voluntary donations force charities to demonstrate they will wisely use the funds. Resources aren't infinite, and if we want to care for the most people in the best way possible we have to use resources efficiently. Charities attract funds by succeeding in their mission, whereas governments attract funds by failing in their mission. If government socialized medicine requires a majority, couldn't we just implement it voluntarily and avoid all of the negative ramifications that come with entrusting a small group of politicians with an enormous amount of power that is routinely abused to benefit themselves and large corporations? I also wonder: Does anyone arguing for government socialized "x" actually believe in it? How much money do people give to the government beyond what is forcefully taken from them? Just a guess, but I think that number is very close to 0. On the contrary, how much money do people voluntarily give to charities? About $410,000,000,000 last year.