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Here's the twitter thread in the screenshot: https://twitter.com/OphirHarpaz/status/1184486445039411201 https://twitter.com/OphirHarpaz/status/11844864450394112

by 5- 7y ago

Here's the twitter thread in the screenshot: https://twitter.com/OphirHarpaz/status/1184486445039411201 https://twitter.com/OphirHarpaz/status/1184486445039411201

lainga 7y ago
Someone else in that thread asks: > I wonder if they report a lower price to Google as well. Presumably for the little boxes which show up below certain Google ads with price points []. I know that's against Google Ads' policies, but has anyone heard of it happening nonetheless? [] https://support.google.com/google-ads/answer/2497706 https://support.google.com/google-ads/answer/2497706
- burk96 7y ago
  Yes it happened to me, a hotel was priced significantly cheaper on Google and on their site initially. When the price went up I just called the hotel and the higher rate was their standard and only rate that they offered. The initial advertised price was never an actual option.
  - nothrabannosir 7y ago
    Isn’t that plain illegal, full stop? If that’s not the textbook definition of false advertising then I don’t know what is.
    - cwkoss 7y ago
      Yes
    - ben509 7y ago
      If the Lanham act applies, possibly[1]. This isn't typical false advertising, though, as it's not claiming their service does a thing it doesn't nor is it defaming a competitor, it's lying about interest in the service. Looking at the criteria: > (1) a false statement of fact has been made about the advertiser's own or another person's goods, services, or commercial activity; I think a fake number of people looking is a false statement of fact about commercial activity. > (2) the statement either deceives or has the potential to deceive a substantial portion of its targeted audience; Seems like a false number would deceive anyone who saw it. > (3) the deception is also likely to affect the purchasing decisions of its audience; And it would induce them to purchase when they might otherwise hold off the decision. > (4) the advertising involves goods or services in interstate commerce; and It's the web, so naturally. > (5) the deception has either resulted in or is likely to result in injury to the plaintiff. This is where it gets dicey and you'd need to ask a lawyer, or someone familiar with case law. The source I'm citing goes on to say: > The injury is usually attributed to money the consumer lost through a purchase that would not have been made had the advertisement not been misleading. I think if you could show, "I would have shopped for another price if I didn't think this was almost sold out," then you might have a case. But... I suspect your damages would be the difference in prices between booking.com and some competitor, which are likely to be fairly small. The source has a whole section on remedies that might apply. [1]: https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/False+Advertising https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/False+Adverti...
      - bigwavedave 7y ago
        I think you misunderstand- the parent comment you replied to is referring to ads on Google using a much, much lower price that isn't actually offered by the hotel; it's not referring to whether or not the number of people looking at the ad is misleading/false.
        ben509 7y ago
        Oops, you're right. Oh well, it was relevant to the main article.
  - microcolonel 7y ago
    AFAIK Google takes this sort of thing rather seriously... if they ever hear about it.
    - rasz 7y ago
      Sure they do, unless you are a cash cow in which case you get a mild warning.
    - GordonS 7y ago
      Problem is that they know almost nobody is going to try to contact Google about this, and of those that do, their emails are almost certainly going to be of ignored.
  - cameronbrown 7y ago
    I work for Google. You can report fraudulent ads with the form here: https://support.google.com/google-ads/contact/vio_other_aw_policy https://support.google.com/google-ads/contact/vio_other_aw_p...
    - JMTQp8lwXL 7y ago
      FindHotel.com's prices are frequently understated when searching with Google Hotels. You click the link, and the price magically goes up $40, and that number still doesn't include taxes and resort fees.
    - dbuder 7y ago
      I would like to report every ad for magic crystals, essential oils and SEO services.
    - GrumpyNl 7y ago
      Google should do a better job at fraudulent ads instead of waiting for a consumer to complain.
dang 7y ago
Ok, we changed to that from https://www.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/djs0n0/38_people_are_looking_at_this_post_right_now/ https://www.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/djs0n0/38_pe.... Thanks!

by 5- 7y ago

Here's the twitter thread in the screenshot: https://twitter.com/OphirHarpaz/status/1184486445039411201 https://twitter.com/OphirHarpaz/status/1184486445039411201

lainga 7y ago

Someone else in that thread asks: > I wonder if they report a lower price to Google as well. Presumably for the little boxes which show up below certain Google ads with price points []. I know that's against Google Ads' policies, but has anyone heard of it happening nonetheless? [] https://support.google.com/google-ads/answer/2497706 https://support.google.com/google-ads/answer/2497706

burk96 7y ago
Yes it happened to me, a hotel was priced significantly cheaper on Google and on their site initially. When the price went up I just called the hotel and the higher rate was their standard and only rate that they offered. The initial advertised price was never an actual option.
- nothrabannosir 7y ago
  Isn’t that plain illegal, full stop? If that’s not the textbook definition of false advertising then I don’t know what is.
  - cwkoss 7y ago
    Yes
  - ben509 7y ago
    If the Lanham act applies, possibly[1]. This isn't typical false advertising, though, as it's not claiming their service does a thing it doesn't nor is it defaming a competitor, it's lying about interest in the service. Looking at the criteria: > (1) a false statement of fact has been made about the advertiser's own or another person's goods, services, or commercial activity; I think a fake number of people looking is a false statement of fact about commercial activity. > (2) the statement either deceives or has the potential to deceive a substantial portion of its targeted audience; Seems like a false number would deceive anyone who saw it. > (3) the deception is also likely to affect the purchasing decisions of its audience; And it would induce them to purchase when they might otherwise hold off the decision. > (4) the advertising involves goods or services in interstate commerce; and It's the web, so naturally. > (5) the deception has either resulted in or is likely to result in injury to the plaintiff. This is where it gets dicey and you'd need to ask a lawyer, or someone familiar with case law. The source I'm citing goes on to say: > The injury is usually attributed to money the consumer lost through a purchase that would not have been made had the advertisement not been misleading. I think if you could show, "I would have shopped for another price if I didn't think this was almost sold out," then you might have a case. But... I suspect your damages would be the difference in prices between booking.com and some competitor, which are likely to be fairly small. The source has a whole section on remedies that might apply. [1]: https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/False+Advertising https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/False+Adverti...
    - bigwavedave 7y ago
      I think you misunderstand- the parent comment you replied to is referring to ads on Google using a much, much lower price that isn't actually offered by the hotel; it's not referring to whether or not the number of people looking at the ad is misleading/false.
      - ben509 7y ago
        Oops, you're right. Oh well, it was relevant to the main article.
- microcolonel 7y ago
  AFAIK Google takes this sort of thing rather seriously... if they ever hear about it.
  - rasz 7y ago
    Sure they do, unless you are a cash cow in which case you get a mild warning.
  - GordonS 7y ago
    Problem is that they know almost nobody is going to try to contact Google about this, and of those that do, their emails are almost certainly going to be of ignored.
- cameronbrown 7y ago
  I work for Google. You can report fraudulent ads with the form here: https://support.google.com/google-ads/contact/vio_other_aw_policy https://support.google.com/google-ads/contact/vio_other_aw_p...
  - JMTQp8lwXL 7y ago
    FindHotel.com's prices are frequently understated when searching with Google Hotels. You click the link, and the price magically goes up $40, and that number still doesn't include taxes and resort fees.
  - dbuder 7y ago
    I would like to report every ad for magic crystals, essential oils and SEO services.
  - GrumpyNl 7y ago
    Google should do a better job at fraudulent ads instead of waiting for a consumer to complain.

dang 7y ago

Ok, we changed to that from https://www.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/djs0n0/38_people_are_looking_at_this_post_right_now/ https://www.reddit.com/r/assholedesign/comments/djs0n0/38_pe.... Thanks!