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Right on. I think some newer devs come out of school not actually knowing how to implement their own, from-scratch application using vanilla JS or jQuery, so th

Right on. I think some newer devs come out of school not actually knowing how to implement their own, from-scratch application using vanilla JS or jQuery, so this stuff seems frightening to them; others are obsessed with the (possibly true) idea that the thing they build with React will be more extensible in the future, while discounting the poor fit in the present. Something tells me that you could probably serve a page with almost no JS on it and accomplish the same thing Imgur does, including the comments and monetization stuff, with "server side rendering", which is what we used to just call "CGI serving HTML" until that wasn't trendy enough.

folkhack 7y ago
> I think some newer devs come out of school not actually knowing how to implement their own, from-scratch application using vanilla JS or jQuery I'll go out on a limb and say that most webdevs (regardless of schooling) can't handle basic "from-scratch" work using a language without a framework... it's terrifying. It's a lot of trend-followers who often can't verbally dictate their decision to use one tool over another (framework, lib, or otherwise). I have a JS interview question which is, "describe to me the the common nodes one would often leverage in a DOM?" Really all I'm looking for is a basic understanding of the document, element, attribute, and text nodes as those are the ones often interacted with. I'd say about 80% don't have an answer/totally BS one. They still totally get hired though (and I'm seen as the big bad wolf who "thumbs-downs" everyone). This is in Southern California in a major city where there are multiple FAANG offices =| Webdev has always been a huge variability of skill. You have WordPress "install 50 plugins" "developers" all the way up to top-level programming talent who are just as technically talented as top C/C++ folks (they just target a browser/web server)... and it's incredibly difficult to weed the engineers out from the "devs" in my experience. > Something tells me that you could probably serve a page with almost no JS on it and accomplish the same thing Imgur does Yep - and I'll even argue it'd work better (more performant), and be a much more predictable product to develop on and ship! > which is what we used to just call "CGI serving HTML" until that wasn't trendy enough. 100% agree and actually had a good chuckle at this =)

folkhack 7y ago

> I think some newer devs come out of school not actually knowing how to implement their own, from-scratch application using vanilla JS or jQuery I'll go out on a limb and say that most webdevs (regardless of schooling) can't handle basic "from-scratch" work using a language without a framework... it's terrifying. It's a lot of trend-followers who often can't verbally dictate their decision to use one tool over another (framework, lib, or otherwise). I have a JS interview question which is, "describe to me the the common nodes one would often leverage in a DOM?" Really all I'm looking for is a basic understanding of the document, element, attribute, and text nodes as those are the ones often interacted with. I'd say about 80% don't have an answer/totally BS one. They still totally get hired though (and I'm seen as the big bad wolf who "thumbs-downs" everyone). This is in Southern California in a major city where there are multiple FAANG offices =| Webdev has always been a huge variability of skill. You have WordPress "install 50 plugins" "developers" all the way up to top-level programming talent who are just as technically talented as top C/C++ folks (they just target a browser/web server)... and it's incredibly difficult to weed the engineers out from the "devs" in my experience. > Something tells me that you could probably serve a page with almost no JS on it and accomplish the same thing Imgur does Yep - and I'll even argue it'd work better (more performant), and be a much more predictable product to develop on and ship! > which is what we used to just call "CGI serving HTML" until that wasn't trendy enough. 100% agree and actually had a good chuckle at this =)