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> Tl;dr: Customization is highly overrated. False. Adding 16GB or 32GB RAM makes real difference to any machine. But it's not profitable for Apple, they want y

> Tl;dr: Customization is highly overrated. False. Adding 16GB or 32GB RAM makes real difference to any machine. But it's not profitable for Apple, they want you to buy new one.

dangus 7y ago
Apple is not even close to being the only company selling laptops with soldered RAM. All the popular competitors to the MacBook Pro have soldered RAM including the XPS 13 and ThinkPad X1 Carbon. Really the truth of the matter is that for 95%+ of people, RAM requirements have completed plateaued in the last 5-8 years or so.
- izacus 7y ago
  > Apple is not even close to being the only company selling laptops with soldered RAM. They were certanly the first to implement that and starters of the wider trend.
  - dangus 7y ago
    Certainly? Were they verifiably first, or is that a guess? What about ultraportables like the Sony Vaio UX series? I would argue that consumers demanding portability is not a “trend.” And the only way to deliver true portability is to combine components. e.g. smartphones.
    - izacus 7y ago
      Yes, the non-upgradability of RAM on MacBook Airs and later other MacBooks has been widely called out in reviews and media at the release of those models. You can easily verify that by going back to read those reviews.
      - least 7y ago
        That doesn't mean that it was the first, just the first that they bothered to look for that... which makes sense, because apple's hardware is generally going to be under more scrutiny than other manufacturers.
- thesquib 7y ago
  No, they just suffer through a sluggish experience and don't know any better.
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lonelappde 7y ago
Adding RAM aftermarket is not important. Paying a reasonable price is. If Apple didn't charge $100 per 4GB of RAM (actual retail price in absence of lock-in: $20) and just shipped 16GB on every device at a fair price, there would be no problem (except Apple couldn't soak their whales for upgrades and replacements

> Tl;dr: Customization is highly overrated. False. Adding 16GB or 32GB RAM makes real difference to any machine. But it's not profitable for Apple, they want you to buy new one.

dangus 7y ago

Apple is not even close to being the only company selling laptops with soldered RAM. All the popular competitors to the MacBook Pro have soldered RAM including the XPS 13 and ThinkPad X1 Carbon. Really the truth of the matter is that for 95%+ of people, RAM requirements have completed plateaued in the last 5-8 years or so.

izacus 7y ago
> Apple is not even close to being the only company selling laptops with soldered RAM. They were certanly the first to implement that and starters of the wider trend.
- dangus 7y ago
  Certainly? Were they verifiably first, or is that a guess? What about ultraportables like the Sony Vaio UX series? I would argue that consumers demanding portability is not a “trend.” And the only way to deliver true portability is to combine components. e.g. smartphones.
  - izacus 7y ago
    Yes, the non-upgradability of RAM on MacBook Airs and later other MacBooks has been widely called out in reviews and media at the release of those models. You can easily verify that by going back to read those reviews.
    - least 7y ago
      That doesn't mean that it was the first, just the first that they bothered to look for that... which makes sense, because apple's hardware is generally going to be under more scrutiny than other manufacturers.
thesquib 7y ago
No, they just suffer through a sluggish experience and don't know any better.
- deleted 7y ago
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lonelappde 7y ago

Adding RAM aftermarket is not important. Paying a reasonable price is. If Apple didn't charge $100 per 4GB of RAM (actual retail price in absence of lock-in: $20) and just shipped 16GB on every device at a fair price, there would be no problem (except Apple couldn't soak their whales for upgrades and replacements