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This sounds quite unpleasant and hard to keep up in economy class. Sydney time is NYC time minus 9h. Why don't they just start at 10am or so and have passengers

This sounds quite unpleasant and hard to keep up in economy class. Sydney time is NYC time minus 9h. Why don't they just start at 10am or so and have passengers stay up and go to bed soon after arrival (9pm local time)?

jedberg 7y ago
You have to push the body to stay awake at some point. If you do what you said, they'd have to arrive at the airport around 7am, which means they probably woke up at 5am in NYC if they're lucky. So you'd be asking them to stay awake about 6 hours longer than they normally would which is... exactly the same as leaving late and asking them to stay up.
- jaynetics 7y ago
  > they probably woke up at 5am in NYC if they're lucky Whoops! In Berlin I'd get up at 7:30 to catch a flight at 10. Let's say noon then. > exactly the same as leaving late and asking them to stay up Except that they wouldn't have to sleep in conditions that are adverse to sleeping.
  - jedberg 7y ago
    > In Berlin I'd get up at 7:30 to catch a flight at 10 That's cool, but in the US, you generally have to arrive three hours ahead of your international flight. You can push it to two, but if you arrive less than 90 minutes ahead, you can't check luggage. And in NYC you still need to get to the airport. And then once you arrive in Sydney, it's not like you get to just hit the pillow. You have to go through customs and immigration, and then get to your hotel. It'll be at least four more hours before you even see a bed. So your proposal demands that the person stay awake for 19 hours of flight, plus five hours before that, plus four after, for a total of 28 hours. And be the most functional at the last four hours as they navigate customs and immigration and finding a hotel in a foreign city. Sleeping on a plane sucks but I'd rather do that than attempt to navigate a foreign city with no sleep.
arebours 7y ago
Here are some pictures of the seats in economy class: https://www.businessinsider.com/qantas-longest-flight-new-york-sydney-project-sunrise-review-pictures-2019-10?IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/qantas-longest-flight-new-yo... It must be awful.
dehrmann 7y ago
> Sydney time is NYC time minus 9h It's 10 hours in July, 8 in December. Right now, Sydney sprung ahead, but NYC hasn't fallen back. This does make me wonder how airlines deal with time changes like this, or are long-haul flights planned with enough extra time in the schedule that a few hours won't make a difference?

jedberg 7y ago

You have to push the body to stay awake at some point. If you do what you said, they'd have to arrive at the airport around 7am, which means they probably woke up at 5am in NYC if they're lucky. So you'd be asking them to stay awake about 6 hours longer than they normally would which is... exactly the same as leaving late and asking them to stay up.

jaynetics 7y ago
> they probably woke up at 5am in NYC if they're lucky Whoops! In Berlin I'd get up at 7:30 to catch a flight at 10. Let's say noon then. > exactly the same as leaving late and asking them to stay up Except that they wouldn't have to sleep in conditions that are adverse to sleeping.
- jedberg 7y ago
  > In Berlin I'd get up at 7:30 to catch a flight at 10 That's cool, but in the US, you generally have to arrive three hours ahead of your international flight. You can push it to two, but if you arrive less than 90 minutes ahead, you can't check luggage. And in NYC you still need to get to the airport. And then once you arrive in Sydney, it's not like you get to just hit the pillow. You have to go through customs and immigration, and then get to your hotel. It'll be at least four more hours before you even see a bed. So your proposal demands that the person stay awake for 19 hours of flight, plus five hours before that, plus four after, for a total of 28 hours. And be the most functional at the last four hours as they navigate customs and immigration and finding a hotel in a foreign city. Sleeping on a plane sucks but I'd rather do that than attempt to navigate a foreign city with no sleep.

arebours 7y ago

Here are some pictures of the seats in economy class: https://www.businessinsider.com/qantas-longest-flight-new-york-sydney-project-sunrise-review-pictures-2019-10?IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/qantas-longest-flight-new-yo... It must be awful.

dehrmann 7y ago

> Sydney time is NYC time minus 9h It's 10 hours in July, 8 in December. Right now, Sydney sprung ahead, but NYC hasn't fallen back. This does make me wonder how airlines deal with time changes like this, or are long-haul flights planned with enough extra time in the schedule that a few hours won't make a difference?