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Sure, this post might objectively get you to a higher paying software job, but good God I hope I never start seeing the world like this guy or ever have to work
by dejawu 7y ago
Sure, this post might objectively get you to a higher paying software job, but good God I hope I never start seeing the world like this guy or ever have to work with people who do. Am I really reading the same article as everyone else? The one I'm reading is filled with these sociopathic gems:
> Add revenue. Reduce costs. Those are your only goals.
> You’re in the business of unemploying people. If you think that is unfair, go back to school and study something that doesn’t matter.
> A good engineer has a track record of — repeat after me — increasing revenue or decreasing costs.
> Much of Fog Creek uses the Microsoft Stack. I can’t even spell ASP.NET and they’d still hire me.
> You should be a good person to everyone you meet — it is the moral thing to do, and as a sidenote will really help your networking
> Strive to help people. It is the right thing to do, and people are keenly aware of who have in the past given them or theirs favors.
> This is how the game is played. If you feel poorly about it, you’re like a batter who feels poorly about stealing bases in baseball: you’re not morally superior, you’re just playing poorly
> Social grooming is a really important skill.
There are some bits of the article I agree with, but I can't help but wonder what happened to this person to make them see the world in such a brutally transactional way, where being kind and genuine are just hat tips towards your humanity while ultimately serving to further your career. I can see this guide as maybe useful for someone who wants to use software engineering as a means of clawing their way out of poverty, but on HN, where I'd imagine most people have a genuine interest in tech outside of or in addition to its potential to make them money, I'm terribly disappointed to see the majority of people here agreeing with him.
- sireat 7y agoPatrick (patio11) had a dream of working in Japan and a belief in a rational just world. That dream and belief was shuttered when the reality of being an overworked gaijin for an uncaring zaibatsu settled in. His ticket out proved not to be Bingo Card Creator directly but the articles he wrote on HN (and elsewhere) to boost the SEO for BCC. Not knocking him in any way, I would probably be still stuck in Japan, falling asleep at late night metro every night.
- mplanchard 7y agoElsewhere in this thread, someone posted this rebuttal to the article, which I think is much more nuanced and well thought through. It also emphasizes the value of relationships and kindness in a way the original article does not: https://yosefk.com/blog/do-call-yourself-a-programmer-and-other-career-advice.html https://yosefk.com/blog/do-call-yourself-a-programmer-and-ot... I wound up subscribing to that blog’s RSS feed, because the articles, though infrequent, seem to be generally interesting and thoughtful. Edit: I also completely agree with you re: TFA.
- buboard 7y agoYeah cynicism is not the best way to go about your career. and btw instead of "Strive to help people" , seems "strive to ask for people's help" is better for networking
- llampx 7y agoIt sounds like he is trying to convince himself rather than anyone else.