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People always criticize the lack of customization too as though it's an inherent flaw, like things must be customizable or not be good and I disagree. I love ha

People always criticize the lack of customization too as though it's an inherent flaw, like things must be customizable or not be good and I disagree. I love having my Windows Desktop to tinker on, but my Macbook is my workhorse. I don't care if I can customize it to any great degree. I've paid a lot of money for that machine and I expect it to work, without troubleshooting, and without fiddling. I akin it more to going to a very nice restaurant and spending $150+ for a dinner for two: I don't want to give the chef my recipe for some mediocre meal, I want the chef's recipe because it's likely going to be amazing. Tl;dr: Customization is highly overrated.

asjw 7y ago
Except you are paying 150 $ for a dinner and they are serving you a very over priced average meal and you can't even add anything to it to make it better. Do you want some oil on it(ram)? It's 80 euros because you have to ask the chef assistant (apple store) Do you want different kind of pasta which is the standard for that receipe? (Nvidia GPU) You can't So what are you really paying for? The forniture? I go to a museum if I wanna see some fine classy decor...
- tinus_hn 7y ago
  In an expensive restaurant adding salt or oil to your meal is an insult to the chef.
  - grumpy8 7y ago
    Somehow I imagine that the same people who hate macbooks probably also hate fancy restaurants where adding salt is an insult to the chef
  - gambiting 7y ago
    I have eaten at some incredibly fancy restaurants and I think the chef would have to be an incredibly self-centered dick to have an issue with me adding some salt or oil to the dish - everyone has different tastebuds, if I want more soil then judging that is silly.
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paulcarroty 7y ago
> Tl;dr: Customization is highly overrated. False. Adding 16GB or 32GB RAM makes real difference to any machine. But it's not profitable for Apple, they want you to buy new one.
- dangus 7y ago
  Apple is not even close to being the only company selling laptops with soldered RAM. All the popular competitors to the MacBook Pro have soldered RAM including the XPS 13 and ThinkPad X1 Carbon. Really the truth of the matter is that for 95%+ of people, RAM requirements have completed plateaued in the last 5-8 years or so.
  - izacus 7y ago
    > Apple is not even close to being the only company selling laptops with soldered RAM. They were certanly the first to implement that and starters of the wider trend.
    - dangus 7y ago
      Certainly? Were they verifiably first, or is that a guess? What about ultraportables like the Sony Vaio UX series? I would argue that consumers demanding portability is not a “trend.” And the only way to deliver true portability is to combine components. e.g. smartphones.
      - izacus 7y ago
        Yes, the non-upgradability of RAM on MacBook Airs and later other MacBooks has been widely called out in reviews and media at the release of those models. You can easily verify that by going back to read those reviews.
        least 7y ago
        That doesn't mean that it was the first, just the first that they bothered to look for that... which makes sense, because apple's hardware is generally going to be under more scrutiny than other manufacturers.

asjw 7y ago

Except you are paying 150 $ for a dinner and they are serving you a very over priced average meal and you can't even add anything to it to make it better. Do you want some oil on it(ram)? It's 80 euros because you have to ask the chef assistant (apple store) Do you want different kind of pasta which is the standard for that receipe? (Nvidia GPU) You can't So what are you really paying for? The forniture? I go to a museum if I wanna see some fine classy decor...

tinus_hn 7y ago
In an expensive restaurant adding salt or oil to your meal is an insult to the chef.
- grumpy8 7y ago
  Somehow I imagine that the same people who hate macbooks probably also hate fancy restaurants where adding salt is an insult to the chef
- gambiting 7y ago
  I have eaten at some incredibly fancy restaurants and I think the chef would have to be an incredibly self-centered dick to have an issue with me adding some salt or oil to the dish - everyone has different tastebuds, if I want more soil then judging that is silly.
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paulcarroty 7y ago

> Tl;dr: Customization is highly overrated. False. Adding 16GB or 32GB RAM makes real difference to any machine. But it's not profitable for Apple, they want you to buy new one.

dangus 7y ago
Apple is not even close to being the only company selling laptops with soldered RAM. All the popular competitors to the MacBook Pro have soldered RAM including the XPS 13 and ThinkPad X1 Carbon. Really the truth of the matter is that for 95%+ of people, RAM requirements have completed plateaued in the last 5-8 years or so.
- izacus 7y ago
  > Apple is not even close to being the only company selling laptops with soldered RAM. They were certanly the first to implement that and starters of the wider trend.
  - dangus 7y ago
    Certainly? Were they verifiably first, or is that a guess? What about ultraportables like the Sony Vaio UX series? I would argue that consumers demanding portability is not a “trend.” And the only way to deliver true portability is to combine components. e.g. smartphones.
    - izacus 7y ago
      Yes, the non-upgradability of RAM on MacBook Airs and later other MacBooks has been widely called out in reviews and media at the release of those models. You can easily verify that by going back to read those reviews.
      - least 7y ago
        That doesn't mean that it was the first, just the first that they bothered to look for that... which makes sense, because apple's hardware is generally going to be under more scrutiny than other manufacturers.