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I’m not sure Patrick would entirely stand behind this as written anymore, just because the long term trajectory of just a programmer looks better than when he w
by barry-cotter 7y ago
I’m not sure Patrick would entirely stand behind this as written anymore, just because the long term trajectory of just a programmer looks better than when he wrote this.
https://mobile.twitter.com/patio11/status/1175617370796068866 https://mobile.twitter.com/patio11/status/117561737079606886...
An under remarked-upon trend: SFBA/NYC engineering wages are starting to drive engineering wages in the rest of the US as these companies open other US hubs and print remote offers, in both cases keeping salaries in relatively tight bands for e.g. internal fairness reasons.
If you were going strictly by geographical market standards you could have a $200k new graduate in SFBA reporting to a 15 year veteran EM making, hmm, $120k or so in Chicago, but since nobody can tolerate that, that EM gets offered $250k.
“Are there enough engineers from SFBA companies for this to matter nationally?”
There are approximately 3 million software engineers in the US and approximately, finger to wind, 300k work for AppAmaGooBookSoft alone, and that number increases by 50k per year.
The modal software engineer in the US is still working for a digital marketing agency or midwestern insurance company but capitalism is starting to say "Look if you can paint pixels on a web application and you presently work in a cost center, that's unacceptably inefficient."
- 9nGQluzmnq3M 7y agoI would argue the opposite: the trajectory of being a programmer has been really good for the past 10 years or so, but we've pretty clearly reached Peak IPO and a correction is on the way. And if/when it does hit, the person with the skillset "can increase revenue or reduce costs" will be in much better shape than "can program mumbo-jumbo".
- barry-cotter 7y agoI’m pretty sure the entire startup “industry”, companies like Stripe and Airbnb which are well past finding product market fit and the risk of death included has less employees than Microsoft. AppAmaFaceGooSoft probably hire more people every year than every YC company put together ever employed, at their peaks for those that went to startup Valhalla.