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If you're moving because you're probably going to die if you don't, does it really matter whether or not you're doing so legally or not? It's really easy to re

by FDSGSG 7y ago

If you're moving because you're probably going to die if you don't, does it really matter whether or not you're doing so legally or not? It's really easy to remain in EU forever as an illegal immigrant, in some places your immigration status will have no effect on your access to free healthcare.

yardie 7y ago
I've met many illegal aliens in the EU. It's not an easy life. Yes, you could move to one of the EU countries, clandestine. You would give up up a lot to do so. Access to work would be "on the black." Access to housing would be restricted to sublets with multiple roommates, who are also in the same illegal immigrants. A good friend of mine, without papers, was living 10+ people in a 2 bedroom flat. Everything he owned had to fit in a dufflebag. Not everyone from developed countries is willing to make that sacrifice for the potential access to better healthcare. If you came from a poor country, though, it's a big step up.
- FDSGSG 7y ago
  > Access to housing would be restricted to sublets with multiple roommates, who are also in the same illegal immigrants. Nobody has ever checked my immigration status while renting in the EU, nobody has ever cared about the fact that I work for an US company owned by me that pays my salary to my US account. Sure, maybe you'll have a bad time renting in France. Don't go live in France unless you want to have a hard time while renting. > A good friend of mine, without papers, was living 10+ people in a 2 bedroom flat A good friend of mine, is here illegally and lives in a nice central 2 bedroom flat in Barcelona all by himself. He had zero trouble finding an apartment, the landlords just don't give a shit. Many illegal immigrants are completely broke, but that's by no means a requirement.
hestipod 7y ago
Because as someone said below it's not going to fix things just by being in another place I like better. Being illegal is a hard life with constant risk and lack of access to many things. It's not "really easy" at all and I don't know why anyone would think that. I need MORE stability than I have...not less. I said I am going to move because I refuse to die in this miserable country after what it's done to me. The only power I have left is to choose where it ends. It's not like I think moving will solve things in itself. I am in bad shape all around and am sick of suffering and the common response being to teach myself how to swim and get a job as a swim instructor as I am drowning. The clear lesson is society here thinks if you cannot produce consistently or enough for their ledger then you don't deserve to live. That's that.
- FDSGSG 7y ago
  > Being illegal is a hard life with constant risk and lack of access to many things It's a hard life in the US, often with access to even less things than illegal immigrants have here. Not sure what this "constant risk" is, unless you engage in violent crime you'll find it very difficult to get yourself deported. By far the biggest thing you lose is the ability to fly around easily, but it remains (and will remain) easy to sneak out after overstaying your visa waiver. > It's not "really easy" at all and I don't know why anyone would think that Because I know multiple illegal immigrants who vastly improved their lives by moving. A good friend of mine spent 4 years going in and out of KS state prisons, after a while he decided that he needed a change of scenery and hopped on a plane to Spain. There's little chance he could get a visa without lying, but that hasn't really affected his life. He makes a living freelancing online, gets paid to his US account and pays the IRS. Here he enjoys access to excellent healthcare without risking bankruptcy.

by FDSGSG 7y ago

yardie 7y ago

I've met many illegal aliens in the EU. It's not an easy life. Yes, you could move to one of the EU countries, clandestine. You would give up up a lot to do so. Access to work would be "on the black." Access to housing would be restricted to sublets with multiple roommates, who are also in the same illegal immigrants. A good friend of mine, without papers, was living 10+ people in a 2 bedroom flat. Everything he owned had to fit in a dufflebag. Not everyone from developed countries is willing to make that sacrifice for the potential access to better healthcare. If you came from a poor country, though, it's a big step up.

FDSGSG 7y ago
> Access to housing would be restricted to sublets with multiple roommates, who are also in the same illegal immigrants. Nobody has ever checked my immigration status while renting in the EU, nobody has ever cared about the fact that I work for an US company owned by me that pays my salary to my US account. Sure, maybe you'll have a bad time renting in France. Don't go live in France unless you want to have a hard time while renting. > A good friend of mine, without papers, was living 10+ people in a 2 bedroom flat A good friend of mine, is here illegally and lives in a nice central 2 bedroom flat in Barcelona all by himself. He had zero trouble finding an apartment, the landlords just don't give a shit. Many illegal immigrants are completely broke, but that's by no means a requirement.

hestipod 7y ago

Because as someone said below it's not going to fix things just by being in another place I like better. Being illegal is a hard life with constant risk and lack of access to many things. It's not "really easy" at all and I don't know why anyone would think that. I need MORE stability than I have...not less. I said I am going to move because I refuse to die in this miserable country after what it's done to me. The only power I have left is to choose where it ends. It's not like I think moving will solve things in itself. I am in bad shape all around and am sick of suffering and the common response being to teach myself how to swim and get a job as a swim instructor as I am drowning. The clear lesson is society here thinks if you cannot produce consistently or enough for their ledger then you don't deserve to live. That's that.

FDSGSG 7y ago
> Being illegal is a hard life with constant risk and lack of access to many things It's a hard life in the US, often with access to even less things than illegal immigrants have here. Not sure what this "constant risk" is, unless you engage in violent crime you'll find it very difficult to get yourself deported. By far the biggest thing you lose is the ability to fly around easily, but it remains (and will remain) easy to sneak out after overstaying your visa waiver. > It's not "really easy" at all and I don't know why anyone would think that Because I know multiple illegal immigrants who vastly improved their lives by moving. A good friend of mine spent 4 years going in and out of KS state prisons, after a while he decided that he needed a change of scenery and hopped on a plane to Spain. There's little chance he could get a visa without lying, but that hasn't really affected his life. He makes a living freelancing online, gets paid to his US account and pays the IRS. Here he enjoys access to excellent healthcare without risking bankruptcy.