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> Because they prefer leisure to work, even if it means they have less money. Who takes bus at 4 in the morning to clean the toilets at your office and leave b

by wazoox 16y ago

> Because they prefer leisure to work, even if it means they have less money. Who takes bus at 4 in the morning to clean the toilets at your office and leave before you arrive at 8? The poor. Who does two different, hard and unfulfilling jobs to make end meet? The poor. Who has to spend 12 hours far from home but is paid only 3 hours? The poor. The poor have it much less easy than you and I, and your self-satisfied condescending attitude is sickening.

cookiecaper 16y ago
It really depends on what easy means here. Poor people might have to work more often and might have less physical comforts or conveniences available, and those things can certainly ease a subset of life's problems, but I wouldn't say that money automatically makes one's whole existence or life easier. I've known several individuals more affluent than myself whose lives, at least in my estimation, are much more difficult. Money can take care of some things, and the things it helps are nice, but I think it's important for us to have some perspective. Wealth comes with its own worries and some of those that don't have these worries ought to be grateful that they don't. Beneath its luster, wealth is often regarded as a destroyer. Think about it: of the the few that are capable of obtaining wealth, fewer still are able to bear it without destroying their own life or the lives of many surrounding. Wealth comes with burdens. Can you bear it?
- wazoox 16y ago
  > I've known several individuals more affluent than myself whose lives, at least in my estimation, are much more difficult. What are you talking about? This guy takes the false and insulting stance that poor are so because they're lazy (implying they somehow deserve it, somewhat further implying that there is some immanent justice in this world). We should carefully, as usual, avoid anecdotes and concentrate on general trends. The overall figure is that poor people don't choose to be poor, and that they would live better if they weren't. The people who got rich chosed their fate, the fact that they're happy with it or not is largely irrelevant here. That's the difference between being alienated / exploited, or not. These problems are of different scales and call for different remedies.
- yummyfajitas 16y ago
  Actually, in terms of physical comforts and conveniences, they don't lack that much. See this fantastically interesting document - if you want to know how many poor households (or non-poor households) have (e.g.) a "Porch, Balcony or Deck", exposed wiring or have AC, the answers are all here. http://www.census.gov/prod/2008pubs/h150-07.pdf http://www.census.gov/prod/2008pubs/h150-07.pdf The poor have it a bit worse than everyone else, but it's not that dramatic. Most of the poor have a house with plenty of space, a car, etc.
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by wazoox 16y ago

cookiecaper 16y ago

It really depends on what easy means here. Poor people might have to work more often and might have less physical comforts or conveniences available, and those things can certainly ease a subset of life's problems, but I wouldn't say that money automatically makes one's whole existence or life easier. I've known several individuals more affluent than myself whose lives, at least in my estimation, are much more difficult. Money can take care of some things, and the things it helps are nice, but I think it's important for us to have some perspective. Wealth comes with its own worries and some of those that don't have these worries ought to be grateful that they don't. Beneath its luster, wealth is often regarded as a destroyer. Think about it: of the the few that are capable of obtaining wealth, fewer still are able to bear it without destroying their own life or the lives of many surrounding. Wealth comes with burdens. Can you bear it?

wazoox 16y ago
> I've known several individuals more affluent than myself whose lives, at least in my estimation, are much more difficult. What are you talking about? This guy takes the false and insulting stance that poor are so because they're lazy (implying they somehow deserve it, somewhat further implying that there is some immanent justice in this world). We should carefully, as usual, avoid anecdotes and concentrate on general trends. The overall figure is that poor people don't choose to be poor, and that they would live better if they weren't. The people who got rich chosed their fate, the fact that they're happy with it or not is largely irrelevant here. That's the difference between being alienated / exploited, or not. These problems are of different scales and call for different remedies.
yummyfajitas 16y ago
Actually, in terms of physical comforts and conveniences, they don't lack that much. See this fantastically interesting document - if you want to know how many poor households (or non-poor households) have (e.g.) a "Porch, Balcony or Deck", exposed wiring or have AC, the answers are all here. http://www.census.gov/prod/2008pubs/h150-07.pdf http://www.census.gov/prod/2008pubs/h150-07.pdf The poor have it a bit worse than everyone else, but it's not that dramatic. Most of the poor have a house with plenty of space, a car, etc.

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