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Unsheltered, unclothed humans are pretty much limited to south of the Line of Palms. Living north of the Line of Palms requires either or both clothing and shel
by Merrill 7y ago
Unsheltered, unclothed humans are pretty much limited to south of the Line of Palms. Living north of the Line of Palms requires either or both clothing and shelter. With effective clothing, minimal shelter is needed until conditions become quite severe. The military has experience with this, such as having men survive with rudimentary shelter outdoors through a Korean winter. Besides clothing and shelter, diet is important, and people who work outdoors in severe climates burn a lot of calories.
- vidanay 7y agoWhat latitude is "Line of Palms?" I've never heard that term, and a Google search led nowhere.
- jraby3 7y agoI believe op meant where palm trees start growing. I found this latitude in NC based on a quick search: https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/53712-latitude-where-palms-start-naturally-growing/ https://www.palmtalk.org/forum/index.php?/topic/53712-latitu...
- NotSammyHagar 7y agoSeattle has homeless, so does Vancouver BC. Meaningless term I think. In the separate comments about 43 degrees north, far north Seattle has moderate weather of course. Cute term but doesn't work.
- dredmorbius 7y agoThe latitude varies with specific location, as temperature ranges vary considerably at different longitudes. It's much further north in Western Europe than in Eastern North America, for example.
- dredmorbius 7y agoUpdate: generally 44 N/S, maximum, though most palms are native to tropical regions.
- YeGoblynQueenne 7y ago>> The military has experience with this, such as having men survive with rudimentary shelter outdoors through a Korean winter. Soldiers are all young healthy men. Homeless people are not. There are both men and women, middle-aged and old, with chronic conditions etc. Additionally, soldiers have access to good equipment, including water- and wind-proof clothing, and provisions. The homeless often don't have those. It's one thing surviving the Korean winter with the kit provided by the US army and army rations (if not three proper meals a day), and quite another to survive it wrapped up in donated blankets and newspaper. Finally, soldiers are trained to work together and support each other. The homeless often have no idea how to do this.
- mymythisisthis 7y agoOn rare occasions and for brief periods of time, they can get organized http://www.rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/cathy-crowes-blog/2017/09/celebrating-15-year-anniversary-tent-city-win-housing http://www.rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/cathy-crowes-blog/2017/0... Tent City in Toronto, Canada, was one of those times/places.
- dredmorbius 7y agoYour rebuttal seems to strengthen, not weaken, the original argument. If the US Military, working with young, healthy, trained, and equipped troops cannot sustain prolonged outdoor living outside the Line of Palms, then any population less conditioned and adapted would fare worse. The argument is that given an optimal population, equipment, support, organisation, and organisational structure, the US military can make outdoor survival possible slightly outside the LoP. Expecting a general, or disadvantaged, population without means and organisation is far less tractable.
- YeGoblynQueenne 7y agoI read the OP's comment as saying that with good clothing little shelter is required. I think that this may be true of young, fit men, but homeless people are probably not that, so they need good shelter.
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