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> a large percentage of men are totally removed from the dating market (not by choice) Please don't make up things like this. There's tons of well-researched d

by pushcx 7y ago

> a large percentage of men are totally removed from the dating market (not by choice) Please don't make up things like this. There's tons of well-researched data available from the CDC and NIH. None of it supports this misogynist conspiracy that men have stopped having sex. > Regarding opposite-sex sexual behavior, 95.3% of women and 93.5% of men aged 18–44 had ever had any opposite-sex sexual contact. There are pages of tables in this study alone: https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr088.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr088.pdf Sexual activity is slowly declining across the board, and more in young women than young men: > In 2011–2015, 42.4% of never-married female teenagers (4.0 million) and 44.2% of never-married male teenagers (4.4 million) had had sexual intercourse at least once by the time of the interview (were sexually experienced). These levels of sexual experience among teenagers are similar to those seen in 2002 and 2006–2010 data. Longer-term trends, from 1988 to 2011–2015, show declines in the percentage of teenagers who were sexually experienced. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr104.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr104.pdf

analyst74 7y ago
Not supporting GP's view, but this data is not the right metric for the discussion. Someone who only had sex once leaves a very different STI footprint than someone who have different partners every week, yet they will both be classified as "have ever had sex" in the study.
ReptileMan 7y ago
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-americans-not-having-sex-has-reached-record-high/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-ame... The share of Americans not having sex has reached a record high % of 18-30 year olds reporting no sex in the past year 2008 Women: 8% Men: 10% 2018 Women: 18% Men: 28% The rate of change is twice higher for men. I guess reality is misogynist by your definition of misogyny
- pushcx 7y ago
  Compare sources. First, there is no long-term trend: https://gssdataexplorer.norc.org/variables/5057/vshow https://gssdataexplorer.norc.org/variables/5057/vshow Second, and more importantly: the GSS is an survey of 1,000 people. There were 396 people in this age range (https://gssdataexplorer.norc.org/variables/53/vshow https://gssdataexplorer.norc.org/variables/53/vshow) and 45% were men (https://gssdataexplorer.norc.org/variables/81/vshow https://gssdataexplorer.norc.org/variables/81/vshow). Seems safe to assume those variables are independent, so that's 178 men in the age range. You are hanging a sweeping claim that there's been a total upheaval in heterosexual sexual activity whereby a "large percentage of men are totally excluded from removed from the dating market" on literally 31 guys answering one question differently. The CDC studies linked above had tens of thousands of subjects.
- ryandrake 7y ago
  Anyone who doesn’t believe it should feel free to observe it: Pick any dating site and set up two accounts: one male and one female. Put in the same bio on each and choose stock photos of average looking 24 year olds. Observe and compare inboxes for a month or so.
- throwaway87378 7y ago
  I don't understand why people are not pointing out the obvious: there is a correlation with rising obesity rates. https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-statistics/overweight-obesity https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-statisti... 40% of the adult US population is now obese, 70% is obese or overweight. Overweight people have a hard time dating, for those obese it is even tougher, and many give up hope. Men have a further problem: obesity is very strongly linked to diseases that have an impact on their ability to have an erection.
manicdee 7y ago
Trends in STDs are going to be caused by people who are having a lot of unprotected sex. So those people who "have had actual sex with another human" count for nothing. What you need is a study that shows which people have been having more sex, and why they have been having unprotected sex. Now compare that "have had actual sex with another human" study with studies from places like OK Cupid where they found that: - women overall got the most messages on dating sites - the second decile of women got more than 50% of the attention (ie: the hottest women got a lot of messages but the "in my league" hot women got far more) - most women got some attention (even just 1 message during the study) - only the most attractive men got attention, but closer to the level of the least attractive women - the most attractive men will "date down" to improve their chances of having sex on their terms - women in general will "date up" Informal study with ten invented people: http://jonmillward.com/blog/attraction-dating/cupid-on-trial-a-4-month-online-dating-experiment/ http://jonmillward.com/blog/attraction-dating/cupid-on-trial... OK Cupid has plenty of studies, but here's one that looks at who sends the first message (overwhelmingly men): https://theblog.okcupid.com/a-womans-advantage-82d5074dde2d https://theblog.okcupid.com/a-womans-advantage-82d5074dde2d (there's another study based on interracial relations, and it turns out that all women prefer white men). Spreading STDs isn't about how much sex you have, it's whether the one person you had sex with had an STD. Given the extremely asymmetrical nature of the dating and hookup successes, it's highly likely that the one person you had sex with this month had sex with a lot more people than you. It doesn't help that the news agencies are reporting "cure for AIDs" and nonsense like that, so people don't take STDs seriously — we basically have an anti-awareness campaign making people more cavalier about sexual health. There's no real puzzle here, just lots of contributing factors.

by pushcx 7y ago

analyst74 7y ago

Not supporting GP's view, but this data is not the right metric for the discussion. Someone who only had sex once leaves a very different STI footprint than someone who have different partners every week, yet they will both be classified as "have ever had sex" in the study.

ReptileMan 7y ago

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-americans-not-having-sex-has-reached-record-high/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-ame... The share of Americans not having sex has reached a record high % of 18-30 year olds reporting no sex in the past year 2008 Women: 8% Men: 10% 2018 Women: 18% Men: 28% The rate of change is twice higher for men. I guess reality is misogynist by your definition of misogyny

pushcx 7y ago
Compare sources. First, there is no long-term trend: https://gssdataexplorer.norc.org/variables/5057/vshow https://gssdataexplorer.norc.org/variables/5057/vshow Second, and more importantly: the GSS is an survey of 1,000 people. There were 396 people in this age range (https://gssdataexplorer.norc.org/variables/53/vshow https://gssdataexplorer.norc.org/variables/53/vshow) and 45% were men (https://gssdataexplorer.norc.org/variables/81/vshow https://gssdataexplorer.norc.org/variables/81/vshow). Seems safe to assume those variables are independent, so that's 178 men in the age range. You are hanging a sweeping claim that there's been a total upheaval in heterosexual sexual activity whereby a "large percentage of men are totally excluded from removed from the dating market" on literally 31 guys answering one question differently. The CDC studies linked above had tens of thousands of subjects.
ryandrake 7y ago
Anyone who doesn’t believe it should feel free to observe it: Pick any dating site and set up two accounts: one male and one female. Put in the same bio on each and choose stock photos of average looking 24 year olds. Observe and compare inboxes for a month or so.
throwaway87378 7y ago
I don't understand why people are not pointing out the obvious: there is a correlation with rising obesity rates. https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-statistics/overweight-obesity https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-information/health-statisti... 40% of the adult US population is now obese, 70% is obese or overweight. Overweight people have a hard time dating, for those obese it is even tougher, and many give up hope. Men have a further problem: obesity is very strongly linked to diseases that have an impact on their ability to have an erection.

manicdee 7y ago

Trends in STDs are going to be caused by people who are having a lot of unprotected sex. So those people who "have had actual sex with another human" count for nothing. What you need is a study that shows which people have been having more sex, and why they have been having unprotected sex. Now compare that "have had actual sex with another human" study with studies from places like OK Cupid where they found that: - women overall got the most messages on dating sites - the second decile of women got more than 50% of the attention (ie: the hottest women got a lot of messages but the "in my league" hot women got far more) - most women got some attention (even just 1 message during the study) - only the most attractive men got attention, but closer to the level of the least attractive women - the most attractive men will "date down" to improve their chances of having sex on their terms - women in general will "date up" Informal study with ten invented people: http://jonmillward.com/blog/attraction-dating/cupid-on-trial-a-4-month-online-dating-experiment/ http://jonmillward.com/blog/attraction-dating/cupid-on-trial... OK Cupid has plenty of studies, but here's one that looks at who sends the first message (overwhelmingly men): https://theblog.okcupid.com/a-womans-advantage-82d5074dde2d https://theblog.okcupid.com/a-womans-advantage-82d5074dde2d (there's another study based on interracial relations, and it turns out that all women prefer white men). Spreading STDs isn't about how much sex you have, it's whether the one person you had sex with had an STD. Given the extremely asymmetrical nature of the dating and hookup successes, it's highly likely that the one person you had sex with this month had sex with a lot more people than you. It doesn't help that the news agencies are reporting "cure for AIDs" and nonsense like that, so people don't take STDs seriously — we basically have an anti-awareness campaign making people more cavalier about sexual health. There's no real puzzle here, just lots of contributing factors.